WEBVTT 00:02.700 --> 00:05.400 Temple McKinnon: Vicki, are you able to go ahead and get recording and I will call off 00:07.710 --> 00:08.580 Temple McKinnon: attendees? 00:09.000 --> 00:16.020 Vicki Read: We're recording. Temple McKinnon:Okay, great. So I'm seeing Russell Schreiber for Region 00:16.170 --> 00:16.740 B. 00:18.930 --> 00:20.550 Temple McKinnon: Jim Thompson Region D. 00:22.710 --> 00:36.210 Temple McKinnon: Allison Strube Region F. Gail Peek Region G. Mark Evans Region H. Kelley Holcomb Region I. David Wheelock Region K. Suzanne Scott Region L. 00:37.350 --> 00:42.660 Temple McKinnon: Tomas I see you in Region M and you're just gonna be here for a little bit. Carl Region N. 00:42.840 --> 00:44.610 Temple McKinnon: Melanie Barnes Region O. 00:44.700 --> 00:46.800 Temple McKinnon: And Kevin Ward 00:47.100 --> 00:48.450 Temple McKinnon: I see you for Region C. 00:48.690 --> 00:49.680 Temple McKinnon: Did I miss anybody? 00:55.230 --> 00:55.830 Temple McKinnon: Okay. 00:57.660 --> 00:58.650 Temple McKinnon: So thank you all. 01:00.360 --> 01:01.500 Temple McKinnon: For joining us I'm going to 01:01.500 --> 01:06.510 Temple McKinnon: Remind you all to mute yourselves when you're not talking to just 01:06.510 --> 01:07.500 Temple McKinnon: Assist with the 01:07.530 --> 01:08.550 Temple McKinnon: Recording and the 01:08.820 --> 01:12.420 Temple McKinnon: Subsequent transcription of the audio so we can get the video posted 01:12.420 --> 01:13.320 Temple McKinnon: quicker that way. 01:16.980 --> 01:26.130 Temple McKinnon: As standard. Let's see. I'll go over the agenda. We're going to do public comment. We're going to consider meeting minutes that we're going to launch into the discussion topics. 01:27.480 --> 01:43.560 Temple McKinnon: Pardon me, we're going to do public comment. Consider the meeting minutes. Then we're going to consider a chair and vice chair for this council. Then we're going to move into discussion topics and discuss next steps possible between meetings and discussions with potential 01:45.450 --> 01:52.560 Temple McKinnon: topics for future meetings and our second public comment period. Is everybody okay with that agenda or did you need to rearrange the order in any way. 01:57.330 --> 02:03.120 Temple McKinnon: Okay, I'm not seeing any changes requested. I'm also seeing that Steve Walthour just joined us. 02:05.220 --> 02:07.170 Matt Nelson: Kevin Ward can't hear anything, apparently. 02:09.480 --> 02:15.030 Temple McKinnon: Okay, everybody else hear me, I know I have a new mic setup. Okay, I'm seeing nods, Kevin. 02:16.500 --> 02:22.440 Temple McKinnon: I'm suspecting it might be something on your end, because I'm seeing a bunch of nods for anybody else they're able to hear is there. 02:26.340 --> 02:26.730 Temple McKinnon: You want to 02:27.150 --> 02:31.140 Temple McKinnon: log out and log back in and see if that helps out with your audio situation. 02:36.600 --> 02:37.740 Matt Nelson: I emailed him to see if he 02:37.740 --> 02:39.630 Matt Nelson: Could just call in and leave his video to 02:39.720 --> 02:41.160 Temple McKinnon: Okay, thanks. 02:42.660 --> 02:46.920 Temple McKinnon: We also wanted you all to have some documents in front of you today. Suzanne pulled together a memo 02:46.920 --> 02:49.950 Temple McKinnon: To the Council on the progress she's seen thus far. 02:51.570 --> 02:56.220 Temple McKinnon: And we have all of this on our website underneath your meeting materials for this meeting. 02:58.680 --> 03:13.800 Temple McKinnon: She we've put together. We've updated that working solutions framework based upon approved minutes materials and discussions you've had at your last meeting. Again, that's your working document that has problem statements and goals on it that will be working through later. 03:15.570 --> 03:24.450 Temple McKinnon: We categorized possible issues or rather the possible issues for the Planning Council to consider. She updated that with statutory 03:24.870 --> 03:29.580 Temple McKinnon: charges to align with your discussion topics, because there was some concerns perhaps you weren't 03:30.060 --> 03:37.590 Temple McKinnon: addressing all charges or subsequent legislative direction. So she updated that to just give you a visual to where some of your topics aligned. 03:38.400 --> 03:44.160 Temple McKinnon: And we sent out the draft report template populated with minutes, discussions to date. 03:45.000 --> 03:53.520 Temple McKinnon: And we categorized some deliberations by your discussion topics, just to get some feedback to see if that's useful to you. 03:54.060 --> 03:58.050 Temple McKinnon: Since we're moving into a document production mode after the next couple of meetings so 03:58.500 --> 04:09.630 Temple McKinnon: That was just for input. And then she also reminded you about the Doodle Poll. We're asking if everybody could complete that by close of business tomorrow. That way we can get future meetings on your calendars. 04:11.370 --> 04:19.890 Temple McKinnon: I wanted to introduce our chairman Peter Lake he's joined us for this meeting and just wanted to talk to the Council so Chairman. 04:22.650 --> 04:23.310 Peter Lake: Alright. Thank you, Temple. 04:25.890 --> 04:28.290 Peter Lake: Don't want to interrupt your 04:28.590 --> 04:30.960 Peter Lake: Business too much, but just wanted to say a simple 04:31.140 --> 04:33.150 Peter Lake: Thank you for all your efforts on this is great. 04:33.450 --> 04:36.090 Peter Lake: To see some familiar faces after so long in 04:37.200 --> 04:41.670 Peter Lake: seclusion, I guess, and certainly commend you on your work here. 04:42.090 --> 04:47.970 Peter Lake: And I think Tomas, like Matt said gets first, second and third prize for dedication. That's incredible. 04:49.650 --> 05:06.090 Peter Lake: But just just a warm warm thank you for all your work. I know you all have a long agenda today, so I won't take up any more time. But thank you for making, making this effort and moving this initiative forward. None of this could happen without 05:06.090 --> 05:06.420 Peter Lake: Y'all. 05:06.900 --> 05:07.740 Peter Lake: Really appreciate it. 05:10.800 --> 05:11.670 Temple McKinnon: Thanks, Chairman. 05:12.540 --> 05:13.650 Temple McKinnon: I appreciate you joining us 05:13.650 --> 05:15.900 Temple McKinnon: As well. I will note. 05:16.050 --> 05:16.860 Temple McKinnon: That Patrick 05:16.890 --> 05:18.360 Temple McKinnon: Brzozowski has joined us. 05:18.780 --> 05:19.560 And 05:20.850 --> 05:21.840 Temple McKinnon: Seeing a 512 05:21.870 --> 05:23.370 Temple McKinnon: number is that you Suzanne? 05:25.080 --> 05:28.380 Suzanne Schwartz: Yeah, maybe. I'm on. Temple McKinnon: Okay. 05:29.790 --> 05:31.620 Temple McKinnon: We can hear you. Um, 05:32.400 --> 05:42.960 Suzanne Schwartz: I'm having a lot of problems with my, my main computer just died. I don't know why, and so on. I've got an alternative but it's taking a few minutes to get 05:43.530 --> 05:43.890 Okay. 05:45.630 --> 05:50.580 Suzanne Schwartz: So I'm on on I can I can I hope to get on 05:51.990 --> 05:59.550 Suzanne Schwartz: via, you know, and actually see you soon. Okay. Take a few, okay. Do you want 06:00.630 --> 06:04.590 Suzanne Schwartz: Temple. I don't know where you've gotten to. I'm sorry. 06:05.100 --> 06:08.400 Temple McKinnon: No problem, we just introduced, you know, 06:08.430 --> 06:15.930 Temple McKinnon: We have a quorum established, we ran over the agenda, there's no suggested changes to the order of the agenda, Chairman Lake just introduced 06:15.930 --> 06:16.440 Temple McKinnon: The group. 06:17.250 --> 06:19.230 Temple McKinnon: I was going to open it to public comment but I 06:19.230 --> 06:22.260 Temple McKinnon: Also wanted to know that Tomas Rodriguez can only be here for a short 06:22.260 --> 06:28.170 Temple McKinnon: amount of time. So we'll probably give him a minute to talk after public comment if that's okay. 06:29.700 --> 06:33.540 Temple McKinnon: Let me get this the screen share for 06:33.540 --> 06:34.410 Temple McKinnon: Public comment. 06:34.440 --> 06:35.190 Going 06:42.840 --> 06:43.290 Temple McKinnon: Alright. 06:43.350 --> 06:45.300 Temple McKinnon: I would ask any 06:45.330 --> 06:46.920 Temple McKinnon: public participants, if 06:46.920 --> 06:47.850 Temple McKinnon: We didn't have any 06:47.880 --> 06:52.650 Temple McKinnon: registered parties for public comment prior to this meeting. If you're interested in 06:52.650 --> 06:54.450 Temple McKinnon: issuing public comment right now you can 06:54.810 --> 06:56.700 Temple McKinnon: raise your hand through the Zoom function or 06:56.700 --> 06:58.170 Temple McKinnon: If you're participating by phone. 06:58.170 --> 06:58.920 Temple McKinnon: If you press 06:59.250 --> 07:01.320 Temple McKinnon: Star nine. We're happy to 07:01.350 --> 07:02.790 Temple McKinnon: acknowledge you and you can address 07:02.820 --> 07:04.170 Temple McKinnon: public comment to the group. 07:04.560 --> 07:05.640 Temple McKinnon: We limit it to 07:05.670 --> 07:07.050 Temple McKinnon: three minutes please 07:07.590 --> 07:08.460 Temple McKinnon: Vicki, are you 07:08.520 --> 07:10.170 Temple McKinnon: Seeing anybody raising their hand. 07:10.980 --> 07:11.520 Vicki Read: Not yet. 07:19.740 --> 07:23.490 Temple McKinnon: Okay. Anybody by phone you can press star nine 07:30.120 --> 07:31.530 Vicki Read: You want me to open it up just in case? 07:31.530 --> 07:36.690 Temple McKinnon: Yeah, why don't you. Also we're going to unmute everybody that way if you're having issues through either those 07:36.690 --> 07:37.680 Temple McKinnon: Methods, you can just 07:38.280 --> 07:39.360 Temple McKinnon: speak up if you'd like to 07:39.360 --> 07:40.680 give public comment please. 07:46.860 --> 07:48.360 Temple McKinnon: Okay, I'm hearing none. 07:50.400 --> 07:51.720 Temple McKinnon: So I'm going to move on to the next. 07:51.720 --> 07:52.530 Temple McKinnon: Agenda item. 07:56.010 --> 07:56.400 Temple McKinnon: Well, 07:58.140 --> 08:01.650 Temple McKinnon: what do you think, before this, Tomas did you, would you care to speak, since you're here with us 08:01.680 --> 08:02.820 Temple McKinnon: Just briefly, or 08:03.900 --> 08:04.770 Temple McKinnon: What would you like to do 08:09.750 --> 08:11.130 Temple McKinnon: And I'm in screen share mode, so I can't see. 08:11.250 --> 08:13.050 Tomas Rodriguez: I unmuted. I just 08:13.410 --> 08:14.790 Tomas Rodriguez: want to say hello to everybody. 08:15.420 --> 08:17.730 Tomas Rodriguez: And enjoy. I mean, I'm happy to be able 08:17.730 --> 08:18.450 Tomas Rodriguez: To participate 08:18.570 --> 08:19.320 Tomas Rodriguez: Thank you very much. 08:19.620 --> 08:20.070 Temple McKinnon: Okay. 08:20.100 --> 08:22.260 Temple McKinnon: Well thanks again for joining us. We appreciate you. 08:22.260 --> 08:22.710 Temple McKinnon: Doing it 08:24.360 --> 08:32.010 Temple McKinnon: Um. Why don't we move on to the Minutes, then the minutes the draft minutes from the June 10 meeting. Those were distributed to you all 08:32.100 --> 08:34.260 Temple McKinnon: Last week by email from Suzanne. 08:35.400 --> 08:36.840 Temple McKinnon: We didn't receive any 08:36.870 --> 08:38.430 Temple McKinnon: revisions that I'm aware of. 08:38.460 --> 08:39.870 Temple McKinnon: But if anybody has any. 08:39.870 --> 08:41.430 Temple McKinnon: Revisions they'd like to note 08:41.460 --> 08:42.630 Temple McKinnon: We can certainly do that. 08:45.060 --> 08:48.870 Suzanne Scott: Temple, this is Suzanne Scott. I just had a quick question of a clarification and it's 08:49.140 --> 08:49.410 Suzanne Schwartz: Suzanne Scott: I 08:50.010 --> 08:51.660 Suzanne Scott: It's on page six of nine. 08:53.280 --> 08:54.540 Suzanne Scott: At the very bottom. 08:57.360 --> 09:05.520 Suzanne Scott: Kelley was talking about the role of the Council as it related to interregional conflicts and it says he stated that the 09:05.520 --> 09:07.650 Suzanne Scott: Council's job is solve problem, 09:07.770 --> 09:09.720 Suzanne Scott: solve the problem of having inter 09:09.870 --> 09:11.250 Suzanne Scott: regional conflicts. 09:13.290 --> 09:15.690 Suzanne Scott: Should that say he stated that the Council's job 09:15.780 --> 09:18.750 Suzanne Scott: Is to or is 09:18.810 --> 09:19.860 Suzanne Scott: not to? 09:21.030 --> 09:27.540 Suzanne Scott: I'm just questioning that sentence. Something was missing in that sentence. It's minor. I just wanted to understand the 09:27.750 --> 09:29.820 Suzanne Scott: Since I was not at the meeting, I was just 09:29.880 --> 09:31.290 Suzanne Scott: Wanting to get that clarification. 09:32.220 --> 09:32.940 Temple McKinnnon: Sure thing. 09:35.190 --> 09:36.960 Temple McKinnon: I'm Kelley Holcomb: Suzanne, this is Kelley. 09:37.410 --> 09:39.690 Kelley Holcomb: It was to solve problems. 09:39.690 --> 09:41.160 Kelley Holcomb: That's our job is to solve 09:41.580 --> 09:43.800 Kelley Holcomb: the problem of having an interregional conflicts. 09:47.460 --> 09:48.870 Suzanne Scott: Thank you. I just wanted to make sure that's 09:49.110 --> 09:49.950 Suzanne Scott: What you were saying thank you 09:54.780 --> 09:57.450 Temple McKinnon: Is there any other edits or clarifications 09:57.870 --> 09:58.320 noted? 10:03.480 --> 10:05.490 Temple McKinnon: If not, is there a motion to 10:05.520 --> 10:06.030 Approve 10:10.590 --> 10:13.350 Kelley Holcomb: I'll motion to approve. Kelley Holcomb. 10:14.010 --> 10:15.150 Gail Peek: I second. Gail Peek. 10:15.930 --> 10:17.400 Temple McKinnon: Gail second. Okay. 10:20.310 --> 10:24.540 Temple McKinnon: Let me get out of screen share a moment here just ex before I, so can see everybody 10:25.650 --> 10:26.250 Temple McKinnon: Okay. 10:26.700 --> 10:27.960 Temple McKinnon: Anybody opposed. 10:29.130 --> 10:31.290 Temple McKinnon: To the meetings, want to raise their hand. 10:34.680 --> 10:36.720 Temple McKinnon: Or speak up if you don't have a video. 10:41.040 --> 10:43.560 Temple McKinnon: Okay, I'm not seeing any opposition to the 10:43.560 --> 10:44.550 Temple McKinnon: Minutes. 10:44.610 --> 10:48.810 Temple McKinnon: As clarified, so I will note them as unanimously 10:48.810 --> 10:49.590 approved. 10:54.690 --> 10:57.870 Temple McKinnon: And I will move on to the next agenda item. 10:59.310 --> 10:59.520 Temple McKinnon: Which is 10:59.580 --> 11:00.030 Suzanne Schwartz: Can you all hear me? 11:02.430 --> 11:06.300 Temple McKinnon: Suzanne. There you are. Yep. I can, I can see the top of your head, and I can hear you. 11:07.350 --> 11:11.430 Suzanne Schwartz: There you go. Suzanne Schwartz: Okay, great. Sorry about that, guys, I just 11:13.260 --> 11:30.990 Suzanne Schwartz: My one computer seemed to decide to die on me as we were just and I had plenty of time but it died. So I had to scramble. So thank you all very much. I guess the next one is we're getting ready to kind of move on to the kind of the meat of meeting. 11:32.370 --> 11:37.860 Suzanne Schwartz: Which is the the considering the topics and having discussion. Temple McKinnon: Actually Suzanne, I'm going 11:38.220 --> 11:39.390 Temple McKinnon: to pause you they're at the 11:39.600 --> 11:42.690 Temple McKinnon: At the item of considering a chair and vice chair for the Council. 11:43.980 --> 11:48.270 Suzanne Schwartz: Okay. Sorry, I was clearly, clearly not there. So, go ahead. 11:49.650 --> 11:52.530 Suzanne Schwartz: And not my audio was on the phone right now. I'm going to see if I can 11:53.640 --> 11:56.760 Temple McKinnon: Sure thing 11:58.770 --> 12:03.360 Mark Evans: Excuse me. I had requested that item be placed on the agenda. So I guess I should take it up. 12:04.920 --> 12:06.150 Temple McKinnon: Sure thing. Floor's yours. 12:06.990 --> 12:07.590 Mark Evans: Okay. 12:10.110 --> 12:15.420 Mark Evans: I had requested that we, the Council consider the election of the chair and vice chair. 12:16.380 --> 12:17.610 Mark Evans: It's my thought that 12:19.500 --> 12:22.890 Mark Evans: Having a chair and vice chair of the Council can will bring some 12:23.220 --> 12:25.620 Mark Evans: Will bring leadership and direction and also 12:26.010 --> 12:36.810 Mark Evans: focus to the Council's work. And so with that in mind, I would like to nominate Suzanne Scott to be Chair of the Council and Kelley Holcomb to be vice chair of the Council. 12:43.170 --> 12:44.100 Mark Evans: And that's my motion. 12:45.420 --> 12:52.650 Temple McKinnon: Okay, so we have a motion on the floor from Mark Evans for Suzanne Scott as chair. 12:53.670 --> 12:55.950 Temple McKinnon: And Kelley Holcomb as vice chair. 12:57.630 --> 12:58.350 Do we have 12:59.790 --> 13:01.140 Temple McKinnon: Do we take a second and then Carl Crull: I'll second 13:03.210 --> 13:04.710 Carl Crull: that Temple McKinnon: Was that Carl? Carl Crull: Yep. 13:05.070 --> 13:07.770 Temple McKinnon: Okay, is there any discussion around the issue. 13:15.060 --> 13:16.770 Temple McKinnon: I'm not seeing or hearing any 13:19.800 --> 13:21.510 Temple McKinnon: Gail, you're muted as is 13:21.570 --> 13:22.950 Temple McKinnon: Steve and Allison. 13:23.130 --> 13:23.700 Temple McKinnon: Did y'all 13:24.660 --> 13:27.090 Temple McKinnon: I'm not seeing you visually. Any comments. 13:28.080 --> 13:28.710 Discussion. 13:30.180 --> 13:31.650 Steve Walthour: No comment. 13:34.530 --> 13:38.880 Temple McKinnon: Anybody. Is anybody opposed to that motion. 13:45.060 --> 13:47.010 Temple McKinnon: I'm not seeing any opposition. 13:49.230 --> 13:49.830 Temple McKinnon: Okay. 13:50.190 --> 13:55.440 Temple McKinnon: So Suzanne Scott is now the chair of this Council Kelley Holcomb Vice Chair. 13:57.210 --> 14:02.760 Mark Evans: I would like to thank them for their willingness to serve. Appreciate, appreciate that. 14:03.690 --> 14:05.160 Suzanne Scott: Well, thank you all for the confidence. 14:06.090 --> 14:07.050 Suzanne Scott: That you're placing in 14:07.080 --> 14:09.270 Suzanne Scott: Kelley and I to try 14:09.540 --> 14:13.260 Suzanne Scott: To lead this group. Just a couple of things 14:14.100 --> 14:27.990 Suzanne Scott: before we get started, as I think that, you know, we're going to move into some of these conversations that I think we're going to have to kind of facilitate and I, you know, obviously, Suzanne Schwartz has been doing a lot of the facilitating, making sure that the conversations move forward. 14:28.470 --> 14:30.360 Suzanne Schwartz: And I think later in the meeting. 14:30.630 --> 14:32.370 Suzanne Scott: We want to talk a little bit about 14:33.030 --> 14:34.140 Suzanne Scott: The potential of 14:35.220 --> 14:39.480 Suzanne Scott: Committees, or maybe we could talk about that at some point during this conversation, but 14:40.560 --> 14:46.740 Suzanne Scott: I did go through. I think one thing that that I think would be important to review before we go into the next. 14:46.770 --> 14:48.090 Suzanne Scott: Item for consideration. 14:50.550 --> 14:51.120 Suzanne Scott: Is 14:51.180 --> 14:56.670 Suzanne Scott: The process that she outlined in her memo. Did y'all go over this last time, as far as 14:58.590 --> 14:59.610 Suzanne Scott: Moving forward in 15:00.690 --> 15:00.960 Suzanne Scott: The 15:00.990 --> 15:04.650 Suzanne Scott: Process that she kind of outlined in the seven steps. 15:06.960 --> 15:10.320 Suzanne Scott: That Suzanne put forward is a way to facilitate 15:10.350 --> 15:12.510 Melanie Barnes: What's the title of that memo? 15:12.960 --> 15:14.850 Suzanne Scott: It's called thoughts 15:15.570 --> 15:17.670 Suzanne Scott: It's from Suzanne Schwartz. It's called 15:17.670 --> 15:19.140 Suzanne Scott: Thoughts and moving forward. 15:22.140 --> 15:28.980 Suzanne Schwartz: Suzanne, this is Suzanne Schwartz. We did not, that was sent out after the June 10 meeting for discussion at today's meeting. 15:29.700 --> 15:32.670 Suzanne Scott: So I think that this would be a good place to 15:32.670 --> 15:37.740 Suzanne Scott: Start because this is you're really setting up the process going forward with this document. 15:40.410 --> 15:41.310 Suzanne Scott: And I don't know, 15:41.370 --> 15:41.910 Suzanne Schwartz: Kelley. 15:41.970 --> 15:45.240 Suzanne Scott: If you would think that may be a good place for us to 15:45.240 --> 15:47.070 Suzanne Scott: Start as far as making sure that 15:47.520 --> 15:49.380 Suzanne Scott: We've got the process going forward. 15:49.440 --> 15:51.300 Suzanne Scott: In a way that everyone agrees. 15:51.660 --> 15:54.240 Suzanne Scott: As we then start to move into each one of these 15:55.500 --> 15:57.870 Suzanne Scott: Areas that had been outlined in 15:58.260 --> 15:59.970 Suzanne Scott: To get into those conversations 16:01.800 --> 16:02.850 Suzanne Scott: Because do we 16:03.060 --> 16:05.220 Melanie Barnes: Do we have a date or anything. I don't have anything 16:05.220 --> 16:06.480 Melanie Barnes: labeled thoughts of 16:07.260 --> 16:09.870 Melanie Barnes: All my things say draft of this and draft of that. 16:10.380 --> 16:13.440 Temple McKinnon: Okay, Melanie, you can look under your the 16:13.470 --> 16:16.860 Temple McKinnon: Materials for today's meeting on our website. 16:19.680 --> 16:21.060 Temple McKinnon: I'm going to refer you to the site. 16:23.730 --> 16:24.240 Temple McKinnon: And 16:24.330 --> 16:25.320 Melanie Barnes: Yeah I'm there. 16:26.400 --> 16:29.190 Temple McKinnon: Are you there on. So for our meeting materials today. 16:30.210 --> 16:31.890 Temple McKinnon: It is the fourth 16:31.950 --> 16:36.000 Temple McKinnon: Bullet down says memo to the Council regarding process. 16:36.030 --> 16:37.410 Suzanne Schwartz: That's the document, we're talking 16:37.410 --> 16:37.950 About 16:39.660 --> 16:40.350 Melanie Barnes: Thank you. 16:40.470 --> 16:40.830 Temple McKinnon: Uh huh. 16:41.040 --> 16:41.520 Melanie Barnes: Helps to have that name. 16:44.790 --> 16:49.860 Suzanne Scott: Because I think that what she outlines in this process indicates that 16:51.000 --> 16:52.110 Suzanne Scott: We would go through 16:53.340 --> 16:54.390 Suzanne Scott: As a group, 16:56.160 --> 16:58.110 Suzanne Scott: All the way down to 17:00.150 --> 17:01.920 Suzanne Scott: She says, my suggestion as the 17:01.920 --> 17:09.090 Suzanne Scott: facilitator would be for the Council to continue its discussion for each of the four topics through the step of brainstorming solutions. 17:09.390 --> 17:10.980 Suzanne Scott: At this point, it might be useful. 17:10.980 --> 17:12.900 Suzanne Scott: for the Council to break into committees. 17:13.230 --> 17:20.190 Suzanne Scott: Which could then continue analyzing the problem, generating additional solutions, etc, etc. So 17:20.580 --> 17:22.290 Suzanne Scott: What that would suggest from her. 17:23.160 --> 17:26.850 Suzanne Scott: Process is that we would go through, step five as a group 17:27.000 --> 17:28.800 Suzanne Scott: Is the way I'm understanding that, Suzanne. 17:29.640 --> 17:36.840 Suzanne Scott: And then it would be that would be maybe where we would break into more specific focused 17:37.140 --> 17:44.070 Suzanne Scott: committees. And the only reason I think it's important that we've had this conversation now is it sort of will organize us 17:44.130 --> 17:47.550 Suzanne Scott: As to how we're going to conduct the rest of our 17:47.550 --> 17:47.850 Work. 17:49.320 --> 17:50.820 Suzanne Scott: Kelley would you like to add to that? 17:58.830 --> 18:00.390 Suzanne Scott: You're muted. If you're trying to talk 18:05.190 --> 18:06.390 Temple McKinnon: Hey Kelley, you're muted. 18:15.150 --> 18:19.110 Suzanne Scott: Okay. Does anyone, has everyone had the chance to read this document. 18:20.070 --> 18:22.710 Suzanne Scott: Is that process seem okay to everybody. 18:24.660 --> 18:26.970 Kelley Holcomb: All right. Can y'all hear me now, Suzanne? Suzanne Scott: Oh, there you are, Kelley. 18:27.900 --> 18:30.270 Kelley Holcomb: Kelley Holcomb: I'm sorry it kept muting me for some reason I don't 18:31.500 --> 18:35.670 Kelley Holcomb: know why. No, I'm good. I think I'm ready to go. Let's, let's move on with work. 18:37.590 --> 18:39.120 Suzanne Scott: Everyone okay with that process. 18:39.150 --> 18:41.910 Suzanne Scott: That Suzanne's outlined if y'all had the chance to look at it. 18:41.970 --> 18:44.310 Suzanne Scott: Seems to make sense to everybody 18:46.560 --> 18:47.100 Suzanne Scott: Right. 18:47.850 --> 18:48.540 So, 18:49.860 --> 18:54.450 Suzanne Scott: Suzanne. I'll turn it back over to you. I think you've gotten some consensus on your process, which I think it's good. 18:55.080 --> 18:57.630 Suzanne Scott: And we can move forward with the conversations 18:58.080 --> 19:01.050 Suzanne Scott: For each of these the areas that you wanted to focus on 19:02.130 --> 19:11.640 Suzanne Schwartz: Great, thank you so much. Suzanne. Yeah. Temple, go ahead and I think you've got a share screen that where we'll go ahead on this and start to talk 19:12.300 --> 19:24.480 Suzanne Schwartz: So back we'll start kind of doing water resources for the state as a whole that will be. We're just going to review where we were, confirm that no additional work is needed there. 19:26.400 --> 19:30.180 Suzanne Schwartz: So we have the problem statement. It was approved by 19:31.260 --> 19:35.310 Suzanne Schwartz: by a motion and a vote at the meeting. 19:35.730 --> 19:37.230 Suzanne Schwartz: And then we 19:39.510 --> 19:45.120 Suzanne Schwartz: And so I'm assuming since nobody said anything about that. We're okay on that. 19:46.710 --> 19:48.960 Suzanne Schwartz: Does anyone want to 19:52.500 --> 19:55.290 Suzanne Schwartz: discuss that in for any reason. I'm assuming not. Let's 19:57.450 --> 20:00.150 Suzanne Schwartz: Let's go ahead and move on to the goal statement then 20:01.320 --> 20:02.910 Suzanne Schwartz: And the goal statement on that 20:03.060 --> 20:08.490 Suzanne Schwartz: was approved by a motion. But Jim Thompson in his comments. 20:10.350 --> 20:11.460 Suzanne Schwartz: After this meeting. 20:11.760 --> 20:13.170 Suzanne Schwartz: suggested we might 20:13.260 --> 20:16.410 Suzanne Schwartz: Want you might want to consider adding the underlined. 20:16.770 --> 20:17.790 Language 20:20.790 --> 20:29.340 Suzanne Schwartz: For the for that, that you can see on the screen. And so I you you all have already approved this by 20:30.660 --> 20:39.300 Suzanne Schwartz: a motion. So I guess I'll open it to ask if anyone wants to discuss this further and modify the goal statement. 20:40.290 --> 20:50.520 Suzanne Scott: And Suzanne, this is Suzanne and I apologize. I know I wasn't in the last meeting. So I guess what confused me about this statement is we say, and maybe it's implied 20:50.610 --> 20:54.390 Suzanne Scott: Texas water needs will best be addressed through cooperative development of innovative. 20:54.780 --> 21:06.210 Suzanne Scott: And multi benefit projects that benefit the state as a whole, while meeting the mandated requirements of protecting the agriculture and natural resources. I know it seems like a no brainer. And it may be, it's implied 21:06.690 --> 21:17.940 Suzanne Scott: But we're not really saying the mandated requirement to meet water demands generally and maybe that's implied in Texas water needs, but the biggest mandate is that we have to meet the water 21:18.630 --> 21:19.800 Suzanne Scott: All water demands. 21:19.860 --> 21:21.210 Suzanne Scott: Including these others. 21:21.420 --> 21:21.810 Suzanne Scott: But 21:22.740 --> 21:25.440 Suzanne Scott: It did I miss something in the conversations that y'all had last 21:27.420 --> 21:27.840 Suzanne Scott: Time. 21:29.070 --> 21:30.420 Suzanne Schwartz: Suzanne, to them, this, this, there 21:31.470 --> 21:51.390 Suzanne Schwartz: The language that is underlined was not discussed at the last meeting it was and it was a it was an email request from Jim Thompson, so I am this has not been discussed by the by the Council as a whole. So, I asked Jim if he wants to discuss his logic for suggesting that that be added. 21:52.350 --> 21:55.680 Jim Thompson: Yeah, my, my only thinking on that was 21:57.570 --> 21:58.740 Jim Thompson: The comment or the 21:58.890 --> 22:03.330 Jim Thompson: The title of its planning water resources for the state as a whole. 22:04.080 --> 22:04.800 Jim Thompson: And 22:05.220 --> 22:06.240 Jim Thompson: You know, I think the 22:06.570 --> 22:09.750 Jim Thompson: First sentence is fine. The only thing that I 22:09.990 --> 22:11.220 Jim Thompson: I wanted to 22:11.850 --> 22:16.710 Jim Thompson: Make sure we were talking about here was that while we are going to plan for this. 22:17.130 --> 22:19.290 Jim Thompson: Water planning resources for the state as a 22:19.290 --> 22:20.520 Jim Thompson: Whole that 22:20.730 --> 22:22.680 Jim Thompson: One of the requirements in doing that 22:22.770 --> 22:25.470 Jim Thompson: Is to protect the agricultural and natural resources 22:25.470 --> 22:25.950 Jim Thompson: of the state. 22:26.430 --> 22:28.140 Jim Thompson: So that was my thinking on adding 22:28.140 --> 22:30.390 Jim Thompson: That I think the water planning. 22:30.390 --> 22:32.700 Jim Thompson: Statute provide a 22:33.210 --> 22:34.920 Jim Thompson: We are to provide for 22:35.430 --> 22:40.170 Jim Thompson: water resource needs throughout the state. And it also says that we shall 22:40.230 --> 22:41.310 Jim Thompson: protect the agricultural and 22:41.310 --> 22:42.930 Jim Thompson: natural resources of the state. 22:43.320 --> 22:48.990 Jim Thompson: So I did not want to put one in without the other, at least being addressed in this statement. 22:53.100 --> 23:00.090 Suzanne Schwartz: So I think what I do is ask if anyone else wants to speak on the idea that Jim has brought up. 23:01.290 --> 23:16.230 Suzanne Schwartz: And I am having some technical problems, I can't see everyone as I used to be able to because of the change of computers. So if you want to say something or if you could, you know, unmute yourself and 23:16.320 --> 23:17.130 Melanie Barnes: Suzanne, this is Melanie and 23:17.670 --> 23:19.650 Melanie Barnes: I agree with Jim. 23:20.070 --> 23:20.430 Suzanne Schwartz: I think that 23:20.520 --> 23:22.110 Melanie Barnes: Texas water needs. 23:22.950 --> 23:25.260 Melanie Barnes: That says, obviously we need water to 23:25.260 --> 23:26.310 Melanie Barnes: Drink and 23:26.340 --> 23:28.830 Melanie Barnes: And the supply of water. 23:28.830 --> 23:29.310 Melanie Barnes: And that 23:29.460 --> 23:31.470 Melanie Barnes: We do have the other things to consider as we're 23:31.470 --> 23:34.200 Melanie Barnes: going after those supplies, and I think that's worth mentioning. 23:36.030 --> 23:37.200 Melanie Barnes: I support the ammendment. 23:39.420 --> 23:41.940 Suzanne Schwartz: Does anyone have concerns about the addition 23:43.290 --> 23:43.800 Again, 23:44.820 --> 23:50.490 Kevin Ward: This is Kevin. I'm busy trying to go through chapter 16 right now on the requirements, to read the water 23:50.550 --> 23:51.660 Kevin Ward: Plan to see how 23:52.260 --> 23:54.570 Kevin Ward: That particular those two particular 23:54.930 --> 23:56.760 Kevin Ward: provisions are provided are 23:56.880 --> 23:59.040 Kevin Ward: Laid out because that's 23:59.640 --> 24:00.630 Kevin Ward: Key here is 24:01.410 --> 24:03.240 Kevin Ward: we've got, 24:04.260 --> 24:10.080 Kevin Ward: I mean, there's a lot of provisions in here. It talks about what's going to identify, what it's going to do, what's it's going to describe, 24:10.140 --> 24:11.160 Kevin Ward: what it's going to 24:11.160 --> 24:12.630 Kevin Ward: address and all that and I'm 24:12.780 --> 24:13.980 Kevin Ward: Putting a specific 24:14.010 --> 24:14.670 Kevin Ward: Emphasis 24:15.600 --> 24:16.590 Kevin Ward: On these two 24:16.710 --> 24:18.270 Kevin Ward: Things and like Suzanne 24:18.780 --> 24:19.830 Kevin Ward: said, though 24:21.510 --> 24:21.870 Kevin Ward: the 24:22.590 --> 24:25.140 Kevin Ward: primary goal is to make sure we have sufficient water supply. 24:25.260 --> 24:25.980 Kevin Ward: Adequate water supply of 24:26.310 --> 24:28.890 Kevin Ward: future to address all the needs of this 24:30.360 --> 24:30.900 Kevin Ward: And 24:33.030 --> 24:34.680 Kevin Ward: Absent really being able to do 24:39.180 --> 24:40.290 Kevin Ward: See exactly where each of these are in 24:42.060 --> 24:42.960 Chapter 16 24:44.040 --> 24:46.650 Kevin Ward: Under the subchapter 24:46.860 --> 24:47.910 Kevin Ward: C. Planning. 24:48.600 --> 24:52.710 Kevin Ward: It's hard for me to say, yeah, let's just through it on in there. While I agree they're very important 24:52.710 --> 24:54.600 Kevin Ward: and addressed in whatever we do relative to 24:56.670 --> 24:59.220 Kevin Ward: Everything else that's laid out in Chapter 16 25:00.720 --> 25:01.470 Kevin Ward: about regional water planning groups 25:02.520 --> 25:02.910 Suzanne Schwartz: So, 25:04.260 --> 25:05.040 Kevin Ward: What that is 25:06.000 --> 25:07.140 Kevin Ward: As a place in the 25:07.770 --> 25:08.250 Kevin Ward: conflict area. 25:09.210 --> 25:12.030 Kevin Ward: I'm just trying to figure out exactly what 25:13.140 --> 25:18.960 Suzanne Scott: I'm concerned that if we and I totally understand and agree that the agricultural and natural resources, of course, are 25:18.990 --> 25:25.440 Suzanne Scott: Very extremely important, but I just don't want people that are reading this to thinking that that's above municipal or 25:26.130 --> 25:29.640 Suzanne Scott: Irrigation or industrial or any of the other need groups. 25:29.700 --> 25:31.500 Suzanne Scott: And so I just wanted. I was just 25:31.590 --> 25:32.760 Suzanne Scott: cautious about 25:33.330 --> 25:45.810 Suzanne Scott: If we wanted to make this statement that it would need to be one meeting all the mandates requirements. I don't know. I just feel like that we could get some criticism that we're calling out one mandated group 25:46.380 --> 25:49.380 Suzanne Scott: over another. That was my only concern I read it. 25:49.590 --> 25:50.040 Suzanne Scott: Thank you. 25:51.750 --> 25:53.280 Tomas Rodriguez: Chairman Suzanne. May I speak. 25:54.690 --> 25:55.170 Suzanne Schwartz: Certainly. 25:56.880 --> 25:57.150 Suzanne Schwartz: Hi Tomas. 25:57.300 --> 26:01.380 Tomas Rodriguez: I just want to remind our group, you know, one of the decisions we said 26:01.770 --> 26:01.950 Tomas Rodriguez: The 26:02.010 --> 26:06.720 Tomas Rodriguez: majority votes for something, let's move ahead and 26:07.290 --> 26:08.550 Tomas Rodriguez: And with all respect to Jim 26:08.640 --> 26:11.340 Tomas Rodriguez: And I respect him a lot. The thing is we voted 26:11.400 --> 26:12.360 Tomas Rodriguez: I wasn't in there. 26:12.750 --> 26:14.730 Tomas Rodriguez: We voted, we agreed the majority of agreed. 26:15.000 --> 26:16.740 Tomas Rodriguez: Let's move forward. 26:16.830 --> 26:17.250 Tomas Rodriguez: Otherwise, 26:17.310 --> 26:19.200 Tomas Rodriguez: We're gonna spend a lot of time going back 26:19.350 --> 26:20.820 Tomas Rodriguez: on every decision we make. 26:21.660 --> 26:22.020 Thank you. 26:23.370 --> 26:36.240 Jim Thompson: Yeah, I started, I certainly understand that and it certainly was something that I probably should have brought up at the last meeting. However, I thought when we said we were going vote on this, that it was a working 26:36.240 --> 26:36.840 Jim Thompson: document. 26:37.020 --> 26:39.510 Jim Thompson: And then we could go back in and look at it and so 26:39.510 --> 26:40.020 Jim Thompson: Forth. 26:40.410 --> 26:53.730 Jim Thompson: And reviewing the materials for this meeting that kind of stuck out to me that that might be something that we would want to consider because like I said, I think there are there are more parts to it than just 26:55.260 --> 27:01.470 Jim Thompson: Addressing these problems we have to address them in accordance with the water plan statutes that exist. 27:01.470 --> 27:02.700 Jim Thompson: And I felt like that should be 27:02.700 --> 27:03.210 Jim Thompson: Brought out 27:04.800 --> 27:06.180 Jim Thompson: So I apologize for 27:06.180 --> 27:07.500 Jim Thompson: The delay in getting that 27:07.500 --> 27:17.190 Jim Thompson: Forward. But like I said, it was my understanding that these were working documents and these are things we could look at throughout and just because we passed it in one meeting and did not 27:17.190 --> 27:18.870 Jim Thompson: Mean we would ever not 27:18.930 --> 27:23.610 Jim Thompson: Go back and review. So we want to do this later at another time. I have 27:23.640 --> 27:25.440 Jim Thompson: no problem with that, but 27:25.530 --> 27:27.750 Jim Thompson: But it did trigger when I was reviewing 27:27.750 --> 27:29.310 Jim Thompson: the documents for this meeting. 27:29.850 --> 27:33.510 Jim Thompson: That, that might be something that needed to be included in the original 27:33.720 --> 27:34.800 Jim Thompson: goal statement. 27:35.760 --> 27:40.710 Mark Evans: From a procedural standpoint, when we're drafting the statements and drafting 27:40.710 --> 27:41.880 Mark Evans: Language for 27:43.410 --> 27:46.560 Mark Evans: Our working documents we can take them back up and next 27:48.210 --> 27:49.350 Mark Evans: At a future meeting. 27:49.890 --> 27:57.030 Mark Evans: But at the same time, I think when we work out the statements and we work out language in one meeting and we vote and approve them, 27:58.410 --> 28:00.690 Mark Evans: there shouldn't be additional language added 28:01.680 --> 28:02.790 Mark Evans: After that meeting. 28:02.940 --> 28:04.350 Mark Evans: And going for it needs to be. 28:05.430 --> 28:06.150 Mark Evans: An excuse me. 28:06.360 --> 28:09.570 Mark Evans: It needs to be discussed at the next meeting. And then it can be added. 28:10.650 --> 28:12.180 Mark Evans: If the group votes. 28:13.380 --> 28:14.880 Mark Evans: Through majority vote, to add the 28:14.880 --> 28:15.420 Mark Evans: language. 28:15.510 --> 28:16.920 Mark Evans: It needs to be discussed 28:17.400 --> 28:19.080 Mark Evans: And not added 28:19.650 --> 28:20.310 after a meeting. 28:21.360 --> 28:21.600 Kevin Ward: Yeah. 28:22.800 --> 28:23.220 Kevin Ward: So, 28:25.140 --> 28:25.530 Melanie Barnes: Isn't that the purpose right now. 28:25.830 --> 28:28.020 Melanie Barnes: We are discussing it not that it's been added. 28:28.800 --> 28:30.210 Mark Evans: Well, it's added on the screen. 28:31.980 --> 28:32.580 Mark Evans: There is it. 28:33.450 --> 28:34.470 Melanie Barnes: It says approved except for the underlined 28:35.490 --> 28:37.230 Melanie Barnes: language which reflects a 28:37.230 --> 28:39.240 Melanie Barnes: Request of an addition. 28:40.110 --> 28:41.070 Kevin Ward: Right. 28:41.280 --> 28:43.980 Melanie Barnes: Meaning it's still up to be discussed. 28:47.820 --> 28:57.030 Suzanne Schwartz: It's sounding like many of you do not want to revisit this. Let me just ask, real quickly. Maybe they're kind of does anyone what is 28:57.540 --> 29:09.300 Suzanne Schwartz: Does anyone want to make a motion about whether to include or not include the the underlined language. That might be a way to wrap this conversation up. 29:09.570 --> 29:11.760 Jim Thompson: Yeah, this is Jim Thompson, I would like to make that 29:11.760 --> 29:12.240 motion to add that language. 29:15.990 --> 29:16.530 Suzanne Schwartz: And 29:18.450 --> 29:18.990 Suzanne Schwartz: Is there a second to the motion? 29:19.200 --> 29:19.890 Melanie Barnes: I second it. 29:20.940 --> 29:27.210 Suzanne Schwartz: Okay, Melanie seconded it. Let's have a have a show of hands of those who want to add the language. 29:29.820 --> 29:30.420 Suzanne Scott: We need to have a discussion. Gail Peek: Yeah, discussion and point of order. 29:35.580 --> 29:37.890 Suzanne Scott: Discussion first. Suzanne Schwartz: Okay, sorry, Thank you. 29:43.980 --> 29:51.240 Gail Peek: I think that the addition of language under the process issue. My recollection is the last time we did say that this is a working document and 29:51.240 --> 29:52.590 Gail Peek: we would have discussion. 29:53.040 --> 29:58.650 Gail Peek: That having been said, I share the concern that Suzanne Scott raised that we need to make sure that 29:59.040 --> 30:01.170 Gail Peek: We are working in lockstep 30:01.200 --> 30:03.660 Gail Peek: With the other organizations. 30:03.690 --> 30:09.990 Gail Peek: That are looking to us for some assistance. We need to make sure we don't point out one group versus 30:09.990 --> 30:11.640 Gail Peek: the other so that concerns me the 30:11.640 --> 30:13.080 Gail Peek: Language, as it was 30:13.170 --> 30:14.790 Gail Peek: articulated by Suzanne. 30:15.690 --> 30:17.160 Gail Peek: And I think we need to either broaden 30:17.700 --> 30:18.990 Gail Peek: It or not have it. 30:20.250 --> 30:21.750 Gail Peek: Because we shouldn't point out 30:21.810 --> 30:22.860 Gail Peek: One particular 30:22.890 --> 30:24.540 Gail Peek: Purpose or one particular attention. 30:24.570 --> 30:26.250 Gail Peek: Our goal is 30:26.460 --> 30:28.470 Gail Peek: To look at all the issues to see 30:29.610 --> 30:30.930 Gail Peek: Any kinds of conflicts. 30:38.280 --> 30:40.200 Kevin Ward: Can I just real quick read off. 30:40.680 --> 30:41.880 Kevin Ward: what the provision is? 30:42.630 --> 30:45.690 Kevin Ward: Because it's pretty simple. It's, it's in the very first part of 30:45.690 --> 30:46.860 Kevin Ward: The regional water planning. 30:47.790 --> 30:48.870 Kevin Ward: And it just says that 30:49.230 --> 30:50.580 Kevin Ward: One thing is to help 30:50.850 --> 30:51.330 regional water plan. 30:53.760 --> 30:54.330 Kevin Ward: And I'll go on 30:54.840 --> 30:56.760 Kevin Ward: And skip forward to that provides 30:56.760 --> 30:58.770 Kevin Ward: For the orderly development, management, and 30:58.980 --> 31:00.030 Kevin Ward: Conservation of water 31:00.030 --> 31:01.830 Kevin Ward: resources and the preparation 31:01.860 --> 31:02.310 for drought 31:03.390 --> 31:03.990 Kevin Ward: conditions 31:04.560 --> 31:06.180 Kevin Ward: In order that sufficient water will be 31:06.930 --> 31:07.470 Kevin Ward: available at a reasonable cost to ensure 31:07.890 --> 31:08.700 Kevin Ward: the public's 31:08.790 --> 31:09.090 Kevin Ward: Health 31:09.630 --> 31:10.860 Kevin Ward: safety and welfare. 31:11.400 --> 31:12.810 Kevin Ward: Further economic development. 31:13.560 --> 31:14.250 Kevin Ward: Make that to further 31:14.520 --> 31:15.510 Kevin Ward: Economic development. 31:15.990 --> 31:17.580 Kevin Ward: And protect the agricultural and natural resources of that 31:19.110 --> 31:19.890 Particular region. 31:22.560 --> 31:23.520 Kevin Ward: So that's where it comes from. 31:25.710 --> 31:27.840 Kevin Ward: So by calling it out here like Suzanne said 31:28.740 --> 31:29.970 Kevin Ward: elevating it above others 31:30.510 --> 31:30.900 Kevin Ward: by not 31:31.290 --> 31:33.150 Kevin Ward: mentioning what the requirements are for the regional planning group as a whole. 31:36.330 --> 31:36.690 Suzanne Scott: It's 31:37.170 --> 31:45.930 Suzanne Scott: because we could maybe say, while meeting the mandates of the water planning process. And if we need to highlight and then you could say 31:46.770 --> 31:46.980 In 31:48.150 --> 31:49.080 Suzanne Scott: Including 31:49.980 --> 31:51.660 Suzanne Scott: meeting all the required mandates 31:51.720 --> 31:54.450 Suzanne Scott: of the water planning process, including 31:54.810 --> 31:57.750 Suzanne Scott: protecting the agricultural and natural resources of the state. 31:57.810 --> 31:59.910 Suzanne Scott: If it needs to be highlighted separately. 32:00.120 --> 32:04.710 Suzanne Scott: At least you're recognizing at all the mandates of the water planning process will be met. 32:05.100 --> 32:08.160 Suzanne Scott: Through that we believe that that's an 32:08.160 --> 32:10.890 Suzanne Scott: Important component of our goal statement. 32:11.400 --> 32:15.030 Suzanne Scott: Is meeting you know all those mandates. There are 32:15.210 --> 32:17.520 Suzanne Scott: Many as, as Kevin points out, 32:18.510 --> 32:19.650 Suzanne Scott: If we need to highlight 32:19.680 --> 32:22.170 Suzanne Scott: If there's a concern that the agricultural piece. 32:23.100 --> 32:24.930 Suzanne Scott: needs to be highlighted. I'm not certain it 32:24.930 --> 32:28.470 Suzanne Scott: does but if there's a concern that it does, then we need to address that. 32:29.070 --> 32:29.700 Kevin Ward: I think 32:29.760 --> 32:30.540 Kevin Ward: in the world of 32:31.620 --> 32:33.480 Kevin Ward: planning and over time 32:33.780 --> 32:34.860 Kevin Ward: the history, even in the valley 32:35.820 --> 32:36.690 Kevin Ward: Way it is is 32:37.170 --> 32:38.400 Kevin Ward: in San Antonio and everywhere. 32:39.090 --> 32:41.130 Kevin Ward: The development occurs on what used to be the 32:42.000 --> 32:43.020 agricultural 32:45.450 --> 32:45.810 Kevin Ward: Land for 32:45.930 --> 32:46.500 Suzanne Schwartz: Development. 32:47.280 --> 32:48.330 Kevin Ward: We said we're going to 32:49.080 --> 32:50.400 Kevin Ward: protect the agricultural and natural 32:50.490 --> 32:51.360 Kevin Ward: resources that will 32:54.090 --> 32:55.350 Kevin Ward: further economic development. 32:55.530 --> 32:56.370 Kevin Ward: So I think it's 32:56.550 --> 32:58.320 Kevin Ward: A balance issue for me. I'm not 32:58.530 --> 32:59.700 Kevin Ward: against protecting resources. 33:02.820 --> 33:03.960 Kevin Ward: But you know when we do 33:04.170 --> 33:04.980 Kevin Ward: A lot on this. 33:06.030 --> 33:07.590 Kevin Ward: We should be considering that we're 33:10.230 --> 33:11.460 Kevin Ward: thinking more along the lines of what Suzanne 33:13.410 --> 33:15.540 Kevin Ward: said while meeting the mandated requirements of 33:16.560 --> 33:17.730 Kevin Ward: the state water planning process. 33:22.890 --> 33:27.540 Jim Thompson: Suzanne, I would just like to say that I don't have any problem with the 33:27.540 --> 33:28.740 Jim Thompson: statement that you made. 33:28.860 --> 33:31.470 Jim Thompson: If that makes everyone feel more comfortable to 33:31.470 --> 33:33.390 Jim Thompson: include everything in there as long as 33:33.390 --> 33:38.190 Jim Thompson: It's mentioned at the end that that's one of the things that we would be 33:38.640 --> 33:44.520 Jim Thompson: considering. So if that makes everyone feel more comfortable, I have certainly none, no problem with that 33:44.880 --> 33:46.650 Jim Thompson: being revised in accordance with 33:46.890 --> 33:47.580 Jim Thompson: what you said. 33:50.070 --> 33:51.900 Kevin Ward: I think what Jim just said 33:51.960 --> 33:53.910 Kevin Ward: and what Suzanne said, which was including. 34:04.050 --> 34:05.250 Temple McKinnon: Like that? Suzanne Scott: Nope Temple McKinnon: Sorry. Suzanne Scott: You had it right the 34:08.940 --> 34:09.660 Suzanne Scott: first time Temple McKinnon: Okay. 34:15.330 --> 34:16.800 Suzanne Scott: Is there, does this seem 34:17.340 --> 34:18.750 Suzanne Scott: to meet, 34:19.500 --> 34:21.000 Suzanne Scott: is there any concerns about this 34:21.030 --> 34:22.170 Suzanne Scott: particular statement? 34:30.540 --> 34:41.190 Gail Peek: I think from the Robert's Rules of Order and Process, you have to ask the person who presented and motioned and seconded if they're comfortable with the arrangement, then you can have a vote. 34:41.670 --> 34:42.300 Suzanne Scott: Right, I think said Jim Thompson: I am comfortable with that. 34:43.200 --> 34:45.120 Suzanne Scott: Jim said he was fine. 34:46.860 --> 34:47.250 Melanie Barnes: I am comfortable with that. 34:47.760 --> 34:48.120 Gail Peek: Okay. 34:50.850 --> 34:53.190 Tomas Rodriguez: Chairman? Tomas. I 34:53.220 --> 34:54.630 Tomas Rodriguez: maybe I'm missing something, but 34:54.630 --> 34:55.170 Tomas Rodriguez: where does it 34:56.310 --> 34:57.930 Tomas Rodriguez: mention municipalities? 34:58.320 --> 34:59.310 Municipal water? 35:00.390 --> 35:10.560 Suzanne Scott: It doesn't. What we're saying is that would be implied in while meeting the mandated requirements of the regional water planning process. All of the other 35:11.370 --> 35:20.520 Suzanne Scott: demands that Kevin mentioned economic development, all the others that he mentioned as he rattled them off, would be included in that 35:21.360 --> 35:31.110 Suzanne Scott: Catch all statement, while meeting the mandated requirements. The reason that we're pulling out the protection of the agricultural and natural resources were just based on some 35:31.950 --> 35:39.150 Suzanne Scott: Members here. They wanted to highlight that as just including those two things, but not exclusively, those two things. 35:40.110 --> 35:40.920 Tomas Rodriguez: Okay, thank you. 35:43.110 --> 35:51.960 Suzanne Scott: So I guess since I can't see everybody, I guess, Suzanne, you can call to see if there's any concerns. Anybody have any opposition's to that. 36:02.490 --> 36:02.760 Suzanne Schwartz: Sorry. 36:02.910 --> 36:05.040 Suzanne Schwartz: Does anyone have any objection, then 36:06.960 --> 36:09.300 Suzanne Schwartz: To the language as its shown on the screen. 36:15.720 --> 36:20.880 Suzanne Schwartz: Then is there do somebody will want to make it formal motion to this new language. 36:21.780 --> 36:23.910 Suzanne Scott: I think we have a motion and a second on the 36:24.390 --> 36:25.590 Gail Peek: Right, yeah. 36:25.650 --> 36:27.180 Gail Peek: We have a motion and a second. 36:28.230 --> 36:31.200 Suzanne Schwartz: Okay, and that will stand with this language then okay that's 36:31.320 --> 36:32.520 Gail Peek: Correct. Now we need to vote. 36:34.620 --> 36:43.740 Suzanne Scott: So I think we're voting by anybody sharing their opposition versus everyone having to say aye. I think that's what y'all did last time, as I understand. 36:44.310 --> 36:46.260 Temple McKinnon: Correct. Kelley Holcomb: That's correct. 36:46.530 --> 36:47.730 Suzanne Scott: If anyone would like to 36:47.790 --> 36:49.710 Suzanne Scott: Express their opposition raise 36:49.710 --> 36:52.200 Suzanne Scott: Your hand if you are opposed. 36:52.230 --> 36:55.440 Suzanne Scott: And whoever can see everybody, which I can't do 36:56.640 --> 36:59.970 Suzanne Scott: Please note, if anyone saying they're opposed with their hands raised. 37:07.470 --> 37:10.080 Suzanne Schwartz: I see Kevin. Kevin Ward's hand was raised. 37:16.800 --> 37:18.240 Suzanne Scott: Okay, anybody else. 37:21.420 --> 37:23.220 Suzanne Schwartz: And Mark Evans also. 37:24.990 --> 37:28.590 Suzanne Scott: Okay, so that's two out of the rest of the group. 37:30.120 --> 37:32.160 Suzanne Scott: Okay then, it seems to me that unless 37:34.200 --> 37:38.670 Suzanne Scott: Unless I again can't see everybody, it seems like we have a majority in favor of the 37:38.670 --> 37:39.270 Language 37:47.670 --> 37:50.160 Suzanne Schwartz: Then, are we ready to move on? 37:52.440 --> 37:53.640 Suzanne Scott: I Think so. Yes. 37:53.760 --> 38:06.510 Suzanne Schwartz: The next at the last meeting you all agreed to this list of criteria that you're seeing on on the screen to for evaluating solutions that is that whether it meets the 38:07.170 --> 38:18.870 Suzanne Schwartz: legislation, legislatively it meets the legislative mandate or advances it that I don't think we exactly have that clarified. And then that kind of also sorting by what you can accomplish 38:20.280 --> 38:24.120 Suzanne Schwartz: by the fall, the spring or for a future Council to consider. 38:25.500 --> 38:34.770 Suzanne Schwartz: With that is that was not formally approved by a motion. So I think the next question would be, are you 38:36.570 --> 38:54.420 Suzanne Schwartz: Looking at this list. Does this seem to be a sufficient list for criteria to evaluate solutions you might come up with for planning water resources for the state as a whole or does someone want to try to consider additional criteria? 38:57.060 --> 39:01.530 Gail Peek: Just one comment. I think we're done with spring of 2020 it's gone. 39:02.850 --> 39:04.020 Carl Crull: Yeah, I think we need to do 2021. 39:05.670 --> 39:06.090 Gail Peek: Correct. 39:16.950 --> 39:19.770 Suzanne Scott: Any, any final comments on this. 39:21.240 --> 39:22.620 Melanie Barnes: How come one and 39:22.860 --> 39:24.960 Melanie Barnes: there's two dots that are exactly the same. 39:29.280 --> 39:36.540 Melanie Barnes: Is there a need for that? Oh, I'm sorry. I'm looking at last time, I must be looking at along an older one, nevermind. 39:42.870 --> 39:47.490 Suzanne Scott: I just had a clarification question as to what y'all talked about last time when y'all did this is this 39:47.940 --> 39:50.160 Suzanne Scott: We would outline this in the document. 39:50.190 --> 39:53.280 Suzanne Scott: That would be put together that we would say state 39:54.570 --> 40:02.160 Suzanne Scott: When these kind of the phased accomplishments of these solutions that we would be putting forward. Is that what you're 40:03.300 --> 40:06.300 Suzanne Scott: proposing? Again I missed the conversation last time. 40:10.320 --> 40:10.950 Mark Evans: Well, I think. 40:12.600 --> 40:25.170 Mark Evans: That I would just say that I would I would certainly want the I would ask that the chair and the vice chair are comfortable with this criteria. It certainly seemed like the roadmap for where we would be headed. 40:25.530 --> 40:27.300 Mark Evans: So if, if we don't 40:28.890 --> 40:42.750 Mark Evans: If we need to pass on this to our next meeting to give y'all time to discuss that are evaluate it and make sure this is this is this captures what your intent would be in the goals for this council, then I think maybe we should do that. 40:47.610 --> 40:53.310 Suzanne Scott: I would appreciate hearing Kelley's thoughts since he was part of the conversation last time when these were discussed. 40:55.620 --> 40:56.040 Kelley Holcomb: Well, 40:58.410 --> 41:08.460 Kelley Holcomb: We put these up there, knowing that we would not accomplish all of the goals in the level of detail that the Leg wanted and that Chairman Larson wanted. 41:08.910 --> 41:15.450 Kelley Holcomb: And we, if I'm not mistaken, we came to the general consensus that we would do the very best we can, we would 41:15.900 --> 41:32.820 Kelley Holcomb: give it a valiant effort and we wanted to make sure that we set up some sort of framework so that those planning councils that came after us could pick up where we left off and move forward with greater levels of detail in how to manage interregional conflicts. 41:39.240 --> 41:39.570 Suzanne Scott: Okay. 41:42.330 --> 41:46.890 Suzanne Scott: Are there any. Is there any further discussion on this item as far as the 41:48.030 --> 41:58.620 Suzanne Scott: The process. I mean, I think that, honestly, from my perspective, I, I won't know how well it works until we start putting things in the buckets, honestly. But I could be wrong about that. But again, 41:59.040 --> 42:00.900 Suzanne Scott: We're sort of creating this 42:00.990 --> 42:04.290 Suzanne Scott: As we go, that's kind of how I see it as a roadmap. 42:04.770 --> 42:05.790 Suzanne Schwartz: Suzanne Scott: And if it works, 42:06.780 --> 42:09.690 Suzanne Scott: If we can put the things in those buckets, based on what we come up 42:09.690 --> 42:10.050 Suzanne Scott: with 42:10.350 --> 42:12.390 Suzanne Scott: But I think it seems reasonable. If 42:12.420 --> 42:18.030 Suzanne Scott: You feel like based on what comes up through the process. We have to may have to edit these buckets, then 42:18.390 --> 42:26.820 Suzanne Scott: I would like the flexibility to do so, given the fact that we're just starting the process of coming up. We haven't even started the process really of coming up with 42:27.450 --> 42:37.740 Suzanne Scott: The solutions that we would be putting in those buckets. So if we could keep it flexible. That would be my, my recommendation, but I'll take the guidance of the group. 42:42.780 --> 42:47.940 Kelley Holcomb: Well, I think, by design, we have to go down that road and be as flexible as we can so 42:50.490 --> 42:57.960 Kelley Holcomb: I would respectfully make a motion to approve this list of criteria on how to evaluate our solutions. 42:59.640 --> 43:00.420 Mark Evans: I would second it 43:00.840 --> 43:01.140 Suzanne Scott: Okay. 43:02.460 --> 43:02.820 Suzanne Scott: Any 43:04.320 --> 43:05.880 Suzanne Scott: More discussion about it. 43:06.330 --> 43:07.200 Suzanne Scott: About this list. 43:10.380 --> 43:17.700 Suzanne Scott: Right then. Anybody opposed to these four buckets, knowing that there's going to be some flexibility as we move forward. 43:22.800 --> 43:26.070 Suzanne Scott: If anyone can see if there's any hands raised have any concerns. 43:26.670 --> 43:27.690 Suzanne Schwartz: No hands are raised. 43:28.170 --> 43:28.530 Suzanne Scott: Okay. 43:29.580 --> 43:34.200 Suzanne Scott: All right then looks like this is our way we'll move move forward. 43:40.710 --> 44:02.550 Suzanne Schwartz: Then the next thing to move to is to discuss. We had talked about that we have on you'll see on the screen. A list of possible solutions. And this is the last, the last step, we wanted to take with the Council as a whole, before we turn this over to the committees. 44:03.960 --> 44:05.580 Suzanne Schwartz: These are 44:05.970 --> 44:07.530 Suzanne Schwartz: These have been pulled 44:07.650 --> 44:17.490 Suzanne Schwartz: from discussions you had if you'll recall, you had generated beginning at your first meeting. And we also generated from that. 44:17.640 --> 44:19.260 Suzanne Schwartz: We also added from 44:19.470 --> 44:27.360 Suzanne Schwartz: Chairman Larson's list a list of things we were calling them initial issues, initially. The memo, I sent you 44:28.530 --> 44:38.820 Suzanne Schwartz: this past week will shows that they have, we've now evolved them into calling them solutions. And again, these are brainstormed ideas. These are things that 44:39.750 --> 44:56.850 Suzanne Schwartz: You don't have to agree to at this point, but they are ideas that have been presented that could be considered to be things you as a Council might want to consider for addressing the question of planning water resources for the state as a whole. 44:58.620 --> 45:15.420 Suzanne Schwartz: And the thing we were thinking about doing for today's meeting is simply, you know, having you all look at this. Have you all think about what your goal statement is for planning water resources. Think about the problems that exists and see if you want to add any additional items here. 45:16.650 --> 45:25.140 Suzanne Schwartz: What this will do is provide a starting place to the committee to look at, again, these are not things you have to agree to 45:26.010 --> 45:37.830 Suzanne Schwartz: To do or not to at this point. I think the committee will advance the work on this as they meet. They may add additional things and then they would evaluate proposed solutions and ultimately recommend back 45:38.610 --> 45:45.390 Suzanne Schwartz: To you what what to act on and and take actions and follow those through for the Council as a whole. 45:48.510 --> 45:49.140 Tomas Rodriguez: Chairman Suzanne 45:50.310 --> 45:50.760 I 45:52.050 --> 45:52.530 Suzanne Schwartz: Yes Tomas. 45:53.040 --> 45:53.880 Tomas Rodriguez: I have to leave. 45:54.000 --> 45:55.140 Tomas Rodriguez: Thank you very much for 45:55.560 --> 46:00.750 Tomas Rodriguez: Allowing me to participate. I wish you all the best that I'll make the next meeting. Goodbye. 46:00.810 --> 46:01.350 Suzanne Schwartz: Get well 46:04.920 --> 46:05.280 Kelley Holcomb: Get well soon, Tomas. 46:13.140 --> 46:14.430 Kelley Holcomb: Alright so Ms. Schwartz. 46:15.990 --> 46:16.290 Kelley Holcomb: Suzanne Schwartz: Yes. 46:16.350 --> 46:25.230 Suzanne Schwartz: Sir, thank you. That's good. That's much how I was getting confused with the Suzannes for a few minutes there. Kelley Holcomb: Well, I am too. So I figured that was the most polite way to handle 46:25.230 --> 46:30.750 Kelley Holcomb: It. Um, so am I understanding that this particular section is a 46:32.370 --> 46:44.100 Kelley Holcomb: Kind of like an idea board. There's no wrong idea. Let's get them up there and we'll go through and vet them and evaluate them at some point in the near future, or are we evaluating and vetting today? 46:45.210 --> 46:52.980 Suzanne Schwartz: The idea is you said is an idea board, get them up there and then turn them over to the committee to for further work is how 46:53.610 --> 47:04.770 Suzanne Schwartz: Is how when I proposed the memo and looking through the process. I was envisioning it now. You all can choose to do something different. But that's what we, I was thinking at this point is just get some 47:05.250 --> 47:18.210 Suzanne Schwartz: If there are any other ideas you have get them up here and then let the committee actually do the work to start working saying, do you, which one of these, they might want to pursue and whether there are additional things they'd like to pursue 47:22.830 --> 47:23.190 Kelley Holcomb: Thank you. 47:26.250 --> 47:27.270 Suzanne Scott: I just had 47:28.350 --> 47:31.020 Suzanne Scott: Suzanne Schwartz, I just had one quick question. This is Suzanne. 47:31.890 --> 47:33.120 Suzanne Scott: on item number 47:34.320 --> 47:35.130 Suzanne Scott: Four. 47:35.970 --> 47:37.710 Suzanne Scott: Identify additional ways the Water 47:37.710 --> 47:39.360 Suzanne Scott: Development Board may assist in 47:39.360 --> 47:41.400 Suzanne Scott: interregional coordination and planning at the 47:41.400 --> 47:43.200 Suzanne Scott: statewide level is 47:43.290 --> 47:45.390 Suzanne Scott: Does that go under this 47:46.650 --> 47:50.370 Suzanne Scott: planning water resources for the state of the whole or would that go into the 47:50.820 --> 47:52.650 Suzanne Scott: enhancing coordination. 47:53.760 --> 47:54.240 Suzanne Scott: bBucket. 47:54.300 --> 47:56.730 Suzanne Scott: Of of ideas again. 47:57.510 --> 47:59.850 Suzanne Scott: Just trying to ask for clarification on this. 48:00.060 --> 48:01.380 Suzanne Scott: Where that number four is placed. 48:01.770 --> 48:05.160 Suzanne Schwartz: I think that's that's up to you all. 48:06.450 --> 48:14.880 Suzanne Schwartz: I think we placed that here, but it because it seemed logical, but it certainly could be someplace else. 48:15.780 --> 48:18.030 Temple McKinnon: And I guess speaking for the Water Development Board we 48:18.150 --> 48:20.640 Temple McKinnon: Were willing to assist wherever y'all direct us 48:20.640 --> 48:22.920 Temple McKinnon: To. So perhaps we could break out this 48:23.460 --> 48:26.040 Temple McKinnon: Comment on identifying additional ways the Board 48:26.100 --> 48:27.480 Temple McKinnon: can assist and 48:28.620 --> 48:30.870 Temple McKinnon: Planning at the statewide level and then another 48:30.870 --> 48:32.100 Temple McKinnon: Item and 48:33.420 --> 48:34.560 Temple McKinnon: Identifying the ways we can 48:34.560 --> 48:36.210 Temple McKinnon: Assist in interregional coordination. 48:36.240 --> 48:38.070 Temple McKinnon: You know, very discreet statements for each 48:38.070 --> 48:39.600 Temple McKinnon: One, if that's something you would 48:39.600 --> 48:40.110 Prefer 48:42.780 --> 48:43.770 Suzanne Scott: That would be my preference. 48:44.520 --> 48:46.740 Suzanne Scott: Each of them would have that ways that 48:47.130 --> 48:48.690 Suzanne Scott: The Water Development Board can assist in 48:48.780 --> 48:49.650 Suzanne Scott: Each of the four 48:49.770 --> 48:51.030 Suzanne Scott: I think four categories. 48:51.510 --> 48:54.660 Suzanne Scott: Sorry, Kelley. Kelley Holcomb: Well, I would. That's exactly what I was gonna 48:54.660 --> 48:57.570 Kelley Holcomb: Say, Suzanne. So I think you'll have that in all three. 48:58.740 --> 48:59.580 Kelley Holcomb: A different form of it. 49:01.050 --> 49:02.100 Melanie Barnes: This is Melanie. 49:03.450 --> 49:04.200 Melanie Barnes: I concur. 49:04.230 --> 49:05.550 Melanie Barnes: That's a good idea. Temple 49:11.940 --> 49:13.830 Suzanne Schwartz: Alright so that 49:15.390 --> 49:26.490 Suzanne Schwartz: Was that is it. Are there any other so that would remain here then. And are there any other ideas you all have that you'd like to add to this list before it gets turned over to the committee. 49:27.300 --> 49:29.580 Mark Evans: I have a question I'd like to ask, just for 49:29.580 --> 49:33.810 Mark Evans: Clarification for my benefit. On solution number one. 49:39.630 --> 49:39.810 Mark Evans: Are we 49:41.370 --> 49:43.350 Mark Evans: Will we be identifying 49:44.370 --> 49:46.290 Mark Evans: Potential new projects. 49:47.130 --> 49:49.410 Mark Evans: That the state will sponsor. 49:50.970 --> 49:55.170 Mark Evans: Or or will we be identifying 49:55.200 --> 49:57.300 Mark Evans: Potential sponsors for the 49:57.990 --> 49:59.430 Mark Evans: Possible projects. 50:02.520 --> 50:04.320 Mark Evans: A project has to have a sponsor obviously. 50:06.330 --> 50:08.400 Suzanne Schwartz: Anyone have thoughts about that I'm 50:09.930 --> 50:11.160 Patrick Brzozowski: I was gonna bring that up. 50:11.910 --> 50:14.670 Patrick Brzozowski: At one of our earlier meetings, Kevin made a comment. 50:15.870 --> 50:16.920 Patrick Brzozowski: Talking about 50:18.240 --> 50:21.480 Patrick Brzozowski: there are some projects that the state needs to get involved in 50:22.590 --> 50:29.100 Patrick Brzozowski: And when we talk about here about the Development Board on the number four assisting 50:30.270 --> 50:36.750 Patrick Brzozowski: I think that's one of the areas that we need to identify if there are issues that 50:37.230 --> 50:39.780 Patrick Brzozowski: Are so large that we can't get through them. 50:40.470 --> 50:53.670 Patrick Brzozowski: Maybe the state needs to say, you know, this is a water resource for the state. And it's going to affect the whole state. The state needs to get involved in that conversation and the state needs to take the lead. You might have a local sponsor and you might not 50:54.870 --> 50:56.610 Patrick Brzozowski: Maybe they can help identify that 50:58.350 --> 51:04.200 Patrick Brzozowski: But something on here. I think needs to be directed towards that comment or that idea. 51:04.560 --> 51:06.600 Patrick Brzozowski: That was brought early on our conversation. 51:09.510 --> 51:10.050 Steve Walthour: This is 51:10.170 --> 51:11.280 Steve Walthour: Steve. I 51:12.780 --> 51:14.730 Steve Walthour: I think that the Water Development Board is going 51:14.730 --> 51:19.710 Steve Walthour: To have to be involved in the large projects, especially if we go outside the state. 51:19.920 --> 51:20.850 Steve Walthour: Trying to develop 51:21.270 --> 51:23.430 Steve Walthour: you know, water resources outside the state. 51:31.230 --> 51:39.660 Kelley Holcomb: This is Kelley. I've got a question along those same lines, and it's really more question for Temple that actually probably won't be able to answer. 51:41.460 --> 51:50.760 Kelley Holcomb: I don't know that the Water Development Board can, would, or should get involved in 51:52.980 --> 52:01.350 Kelley Holcomb: That matchmaking process between project and project sponsor and project end users. 52:02.670 --> 52:07.980 Kelley Holcomb: And the reason why I asked that question is I've got a little project out there that doesn't need to be named but 52:10.320 --> 52:21.630 Kelley Holcomb: I don't know the Water Development Board has never gotten involved in that trying to help facilitate that which would be a project of value that would fit into all of these criteria that we're talking about. 52:23.130 --> 52:27.270 Kelley Holcomb: But I just don't know how doable 4.a. really is. 52:28.290 --> 52:29.040 Kelley Holcomb: In terms of the 52:29.070 --> 52:32.100 Kelley Holcomb: Water Development Board getting engaged in 4.b., excuse me. 52:33.900 --> 52:35.490 Kelley Holcomb: Sorry 4.a. and 4.d. 52:39.750 --> 52:44.340 Temple McKinnon: Would you like me to capture these thoughts, just as a general revision saying 52:47.190 --> 52:51.150 Temple McKinnon: the state playing a role as appropriate, or something like that or 52:52.110 --> 52:58.080 Suzanne Scott: Or or would it be, we think it would be this interregional councils job, our role 52:58.320 --> 53:03.870 Suzanne Scott: To determine what criteria should be identified that would suggest 53:04.260 --> 53:05.700 Suzanne Scott: That the state may want to 53:06.210 --> 53:07.830 Suzanne Scott: Get involved in a project. 53:08.280 --> 53:11.610 Suzanne Scott: Versus it being a regional project. Is that what you're trying to 53:11.610 --> 53:14.250 Suzanne Scott: Get to that would 53:14.550 --> 53:21.720 Suzanne Scott: Would be for for that statewide type of focus versus the regional focus project. 53:21.750 --> 53:23.820 Matt Nelson: If I may add to, like, 53:24.180 --> 53:29.490 Matt Nelson: That it sounds like you could you could you all could depending on where you're talking about this. 53:29.820 --> 53:31.650 Matt Nelson: Y'all can decide what 53:32.460 --> 53:36.720 Matt Nelson: You think the state's role might be what things the state might do. 53:40.470 --> 53:42.420 Melanie Barnes: I think, this is Melanie 53:44.010 --> 53:45.360 Melanie Barnes: This, this idea 53:45.390 --> 53:49.770 Melanie Barnes: Came from the directive or the letter that Larson wrote and and I 53:51.960 --> 53:54.570 Melanie Barnes: I got the impression that he wanted this 53:55.830 --> 54:05.460 Melanie Barnes: Group, since it was someone from each region to consider if there are really large multi regional projects that aren't already being done and addressed and 54:06.240 --> 54:15.240 Melanie Barnes: Have people working on them and do just what was suggested that that we look at them and say, okay, it's between two regions, they can handle it. 54:15.780 --> 54:24.570 Melanie Barnes: Or this is much bigger than that and and we do need the state to step in on these levels, but the regions should lead on these levels or however you 54:25.230 --> 54:36.120 Melanie Barnes: Want to word it as far as large projects are concerned. They obviously have to be worked out between the people who are doing the project and and the end users. 54:36.660 --> 54:50.880 Melanie Barnes: But there may be a role, either for end by state. It may be that maybe this is the committee that plays that role for the Water Development Board. And I think that's what he was asking us to think about, but it's just my interpretation. 54:52.860 --> 54:54.810 Suzanne Scott: Are you Melanie and you saying 54:55.170 --> 54:56.400 Suzanne Scott: Develop specific 54:56.400 --> 55:09.930 Suzanne Scott: Projects like identify specific projects or are different project characteristics or categories that would suggest that the state should be involved. I'm trying to understand if you think I 55:10.410 --> 55:13.350 Melanie Barnes: I think the answer, Suzanne, I think the answer is yes. 55:13.410 --> 55:14.820 Melanie Barnes: If somebody has thought 55:15.840 --> 55:16.740 Melanie Barnes: Of a project. 55:18.210 --> 55:20.040 Melanie Barnes: Where we could say, hey, 55:21.180 --> 55:23.520 Melanie Barnes: Hey, okay, here's one that's possible. 55:25.620 --> 55:26.430 Melanie Barnes: But I think 55:29.190 --> 55:29.370 Melanie Barnes: the 55:30.090 --> 55:31.680 Suzanne Scott: You're going in and out. Melanie Barnes: evaluating it 55:36.570 --> 55:37.320 Melanie Barnes: it stands 55:42.000 --> 55:42.690 Melanie Barnes: maybe 55:43.050 --> 55:58.170 Melanie Barnes: And sorry as I understand it exists totally rules and this can be so it could be process comes before Project X identified, but a project may help identify how you would do the projects. 56:01.950 --> 56:03.150 Melanie Barnes: Or the process. Sorry. 56:07.380 --> 56:15.750 Suzanne Scott: So maybe it would be looking at the criteria that would be looking at what the state would be involved in, and if we have a project 56:16.620 --> 56:21.300 Suzanne Scott: that the committee would be looking at that meets those criteria, then we could use that one as an example. 56:21.810 --> 56:27.300 Suzanne Scott: Because, again, this committee is not going to have the opportunity to do any of the technical work. They're not going to have to be able to vet this. 56:27.600 --> 56:33.120 Suzanne Scott: All of us, although we represent different regions, we don't know everything about what's going on in those regions. 56:33.510 --> 56:42.570 Suzanne Scott: But if we have a criteria that we could use and then use a project as an example, that may be a way to show how this could work, potentially. I'm just brainstorming. I don't know. 56:49.680 --> 56:57.990 Kelley Holcomb: Well, this is Kelley and I just my I have some level of concern in this Council getting down into the weeds of 56:59.340 --> 57:05.820 Kelley Holcomb: Recommending projects or identifying projects that are multi regional 57:08.400 --> 57:13.740 Kelley Holcomb: I just have some level of concern. I'm not really sure I know exactly why I say that 57:14.340 --> 57:22.080 Kelley Holcomb: But I've got some a nagging feeling in the back of my mind that we're kind of straying off point here, I'm looking at Chairman Larson's letter again and the statutes, 57:22.620 --> 57:33.300 Kelley Holcomb: And ours is really supposed to be about interregional conflicts and solving those issues, not trying to marry up projects with sponsors with the end users. 57:33.600 --> 57:34.830 Suzanne Scott: Yeah, I tend to agree with you, Kelley, I 57:34.830 --> 57:36.240 Suzanne Scott: Mean, there's a lot that's 57:36.990 --> 57:39.300 Suzanne Scott: That's almost like an endorsement for a project for the 57:39.300 --> 57:44.580 Suzanne Scott: State level, and that seems to me as a little bit could put us in a situation where 57:45.630 --> 57:47.460 Suzanne Scott: We're endorsing something that we may not 57:47.460 --> 57:50.910 Suzanne Scott: know enough about to endorse, so I just 57:52.800 --> 57:53.880 Suzanne Scott: That's where my concern. 57:55.140 --> 57:56.430 Kelley Holcomb: Well, I can tell you what I would 57:56.430 --> 57:57.510 Kelley Holcomb: do, as soon as this thing was passed 58:02.070 --> 58:04.920 Kelley Holcomb: That you Mark? Mark Evans: Yes, I said, perhaps we should delete 58:05.280 --> 58:05.730 Mark Evans: 4.a. 58:07.530 --> 58:16.170 Kelley Holcomb: I would be in favor of that because if this if we if this Council passed or something like that. It says that the Council is going to get involved at that level of detail. 58:16.530 --> 58:24.390 Kelley Holcomb: I'm going to start pushing really hard for my Lake Columbia project to be at the top of the list, because the state participation monies that have already been spin and so forth. 58:25.440 --> 58:28.320 Kelley Holcomb: And on as soon as I say that I know that that's not 58:29.490 --> 58:39.690 Kelley Holcomb: That's not quite some what we're supposed to be doing. It's not fair. And we're going to create a process whereby we get involved in that level of detail that's not ours to be involved in 58:41.430 --> 58:43.530 Temple McKinnon: Would you like me to modify a. based 58:43.590 --> 58:44.040 Temple McKinnon: on what I'm hearing? 58:44.640 --> 58:45.810 Melanie Barnes: Didn't Larson 58:51.270 --> 58:51.690 Temple McKinnon: Chairman. 58:51.720 --> 58:53.580 Temple McKinnon: Do you don't want me to modify this language? 58:53.610 --> 58:53.880 Suzanne Scott: Oh, yes. 58:53.910 --> 59:12.330 Suzanne Scott: Temple, I was saying yes, please. There's some several concerns here regarding you know we endorsing projects or are we calling things out. And I don't think that's what we want to do. And if I think to be, it seems to be responsive to what Larson saying maybe there could be some 59:13.830 --> 59:17.520 Suzanne Scott: Things that could potentially elevate a project more generically, but 59:18.720 --> 59:20.610 Suzanne Scott: I don't think a specific project. 59:22.560 --> 59:29.640 Suzanne Scott: Would want to be identified here. If we want to get engaged in this at all. And I agree. Kelley, it may be a little 59:30.990 --> 59:34.740 Suzanne Scott: Controversial. But again, the committee could work that out if there is something 59:35.310 --> 59:37.020 Suzanne Scott: That could be 59:37.560 --> 59:52.470 Suzanne Scott: If there are things. I mean, like, for example, if it's a if it crosses someone I think mentioned earlier, if it crosses borders state borders that may be something that the state may want to get engaged in, for example, something like that, but otherwise 59:53.730 --> 59:57.840 Melanie Barnes: So b. is essentially b. is essentially the same thing. 59:58.830 --> 01:00:04.230 Melanie Barnes: Whether you're identifying projects are you're identifying large amounts of undeveloped and unappropriated water. 01:00:05.970 --> 01:00:07.890 Melanie Barnes: Is the same concern applied to b? 01:00:08.790 --> 01:00:09.510 Russell Schreiber: And c. 01:00:11.250 --> 01:00:12.660 Russell Schreiber: We're not. We're not capable of 01:00:13.980 --> 01:00:17.220 Russell Schreiber: Identifying the viability and justification of regional 01:00:17.220 --> 01:00:18.570 Russell Schreiber: 01:00:18.750 --> 01:00:19.050 Russell Schreiber: We're not 01:00:19.140 --> 01:00:22.740 Russell Schreiber: qualified to do that. Melanie Barnes: So it seems like Larson asked us to look at something 01:00:27.240 --> 01:00:34.800 Melanie Barnes: But those are things that Larson asked for in his letter. So is he trying to tap the knowledge of this group as to whether there are things out there 01:00:35.340 --> 01:00:37.020 Mark Evans: He asked us to consider. 01:00:37.020 --> 01:00:42.420 Melanie Barnes: Even though the group's charge is to talk about a process. 01:00:51.420 --> 01:00:51.600 Melanie Barnes: I'm 01:00:55.290 --> 01:00:56.250 ark Evans: Are we overthinking this? 01:00:58.350 --> 01:00:58.860 Kelley Holcomb: Probably. 01:01:00.780 --> 01:01:05.190 Russell Schreiber: I mean I know I know I'm not qualified to 01:01:06.360 --> 01:01:15.150 Russell Schreiber: determine the viability and justification of a project in Region C or in any region. And I don't know that this whole committee would be 01:01:16.560 --> 01:01:18.030 Russell Schreiber: Qualified and understand 01:01:19.020 --> 01:01:21.810 Russell Schreiber: The recommended projects in Region D 01:01:22.230 --> 01:01:22.680 To 01:01:24.660 --> 01:01:27.690 Russell Schreiber: Determine the viability or justification for those projects. 01:01:29.130 --> 01:01:33.750 Russell Schreiber: I guess I'm a little confused as to what we're supposed to do with that exactly. 01:01:42.420 --> 01:01:47.220 Suzanne Scott: Temple, do you have any guidelines? Melanie Barnes: I didn't get the sense that we were asked to identify projects. 01:01:50.700 --> 01:01:52.830 Melanie Barnes: We were asked to identify 01:01:56.460 --> 01:01:58.830 Russell Schreiber: Viability of justification of projects. 01:02:01.980 --> 01:02:13.980 Kelley Holcomb: The Chairman Larson letter says new multi regional projects for consideration. The second bullet talks about projects that are already identified in the state water plan which 01:02:15.060 --> 01:02:18.060 Kelley Holcomb: automatically applies regional water planning. 01:02:20.580 --> 01:02:20.940 Kelley Holcomb: So, 01:02:22.290 --> 01:02:36.030 Temple McKinnon: Chairman Scott, you asked if I had any guidance. I guess as c. is modified that could perhaps be providing input to us on our rules and guidance as to how planning groups 01:02:37.350 --> 01:02:42.870 Temple McKinnon: Determine the viability or document the viability or their reviews or justifications of their projects. 01:02:44.490 --> 01:02:54.240 Temple McKinnon: We've made some changes this planning cycle specifically that each group has to speak directly to their considerations of ASR and desalination. 01:02:54.600 --> 01:03:02.670 Temple McKinnon: So that was one change for this cycle. And maybe if y'all had other ideas on if you want to keep it at a planning group level rather than the Council directly. 01:03:05.250 --> 01:03:13.140 Kelley Holcomb: That's a good point. Temple, we could actually recommend the Water Development Board go through rulemaking to modify some of those components. 01:03:13.710 --> 01:03:16.770 Temple McKinnon: I guess I'll say were required by statute to revise 01:03:16.800 --> 01:03:21.960 Temple McKinnon: Or review our planning guidelines every five years. And so that's typically something we do 01:03:23.520 --> 01:03:26.190 Temple McKinnon: it will be next year. So we could be 01:03:28.800 --> 01:03:38.220 Temple McKinnon: And we we notify stakeholders of those opportunities we solicit stakeholder and preliminary stakeholder input, we have to work with the natural resource agencies on review of those guidelines but 01:03:39.840 --> 01:03:41.460 Temple McKinnon: Perhaps that with this next 01:03:42.660 --> 01:03:43.500 Temple McKinnon: rule review. 01:03:43.560 --> 01:03:54.060 Temple McKinnon: We can give a little bit more context and background specific to some of these discussions to assist in planning group review of our planning guidelines, which is our rules chapter 357 01:03:55.980 --> 01:04:05.280 Suzanne Scott: Think that that makes sense. I mean, other words we we this group could maybe provide some guidance as to things that could be looked at in that process. 01:04:07.080 --> 01:04:10.560 Suzanne Scott: To to, you know, address these issues that have been raised here. 01:04:10.950 --> 01:04:16.260 Temple McKinnon: And we could get that input from you before you dissolve. So it's something we could launch in the spring, you know, once your 01:04:16.530 --> 01:04:18.510 Temple McKinnon: Final adopted plans are in, we can cue. 01:04:18.510 --> 01:04:25.020 Temple McKinnon: That up for the Council's consideration before we broadcast to all planning group stakeholders, so it goes through the Council first 01:04:26.730 --> 01:04:33.240 Kelley Holcomb: So does that mean that we have a new bullet point that we will specifically work with the Water Development Board through their next rulemaking process. 01:04:34.590 --> 01:04:35.610 Kelley Holcomb: I mean to add that in there. 01:04:41.790 --> 01:04:42.810 Kelley Holcomb: It would be nice that we 01:04:44.010 --> 01:04:48.060 Kelley Holcomb: Have some specific items we know we're going to engage in 01:04:51.060 --> 01:05:03.990 Suzanne Scott: So I guess, then the question would be, would we advise the Water Development Board on preliminary input on their planning guidelines in in the areas of A, B, and C and kind of type those under those three 01:05:05.670 --> 01:05:11.760 Suzanne Scott: So that instead of those A, B, and C being their own would are y'all suggesting that we would provide them guidance on 01:05:12.960 --> 01:05:19.020 Suzanne Scott: Any kind of rulemaking that would address the number, a, b, and c versus those being separate and apart. 01:05:19.410 --> 01:05:26.100 Matt Nelson: I just want to convey that Kevin Ward is, I think we're not hearing Kevin, I think he's trying to speak. So just wanted to let you know that 01:05:28.620 --> 01:05:31.200 Kelley Holcomb: Is he waving his hands and arms and going, hey, 01:05:32.010 --> 01:05:32.880 Matt Nelson: I got an email. 01:05:33.180 --> 01:05:39.240 Temple McKinnon: Hey Matt, can you facilitate that because I can't see folks when I'm sharing screen and Suzanne, I think is having some technical 01:05:39.240 --> 01:05:43.950 Matt Nelson: Yeah yeah just I think he needs to call in maybe to try to get a 01:05:43.950 --> 01:05:48.750 Kelley Holcomb: Kevin, you're muted you're muted on from what I can see on my end. There you go. 01:05:49.950 --> 01:05:52.260 Suzanne Schwartz: And I think I finally got my technical 01:05:53.070 --> 01:05:55.200 Suzanne Schwartz: issues solved here. Sorry about that, guys. 01:05:59.550 --> 01:06:05.160 Kevin Ward: I was just going to say what we've got in our guidance that we was all distributed to us kind of addresses a lot of these issues. 01:06:06.300 --> 01:06:13.380 Kevin Ward: Including, you know, providing input on best management practices for regional water planning, which would fit into the moniker of 01:06:14.460 --> 01:06:20.850 Kevin Ward: The five year you know review of the process, but when it comes to some what we have here while we're not, I don't 01:06:21.300 --> 01:06:26.670 Kevin Ward: I think we all agreed at the beginning, it's kind of hard for us to think of these projects, that's what I have said on that. 01:06:27.450 --> 01:06:35.610 Kevin Ward: That's exactly what we were asked to do if there are any large projects that benefit at the state in a whole they wanted identified. So I think 01:06:36.450 --> 01:06:45.900 Kevin Ward: You got a couple of choices here. You either stay within the realm of water planning process itself and go in and identify those that we see that have multiple benefits for the state. 01:06:47.130 --> 01:06:47.520 Kevin Ward: Or 01:06:48.210 --> 01:06:50.250 Kevin Ward: we delve off into 01:06:50.760 --> 01:07:03.870 Kevin Ward: creating some ideas, which is why I asked a look at some of those past projects like Trans Texas and and others that have been brought up, you know, bringing water in from Toledo Bend from the Louisiana side. 01:07:05.430 --> 01:07:09.450 Kevin Ward: Which has been a big effort that's been done in the past, bringing in Oklahoma water. 01:07:10.440 --> 01:07:21.420 Kevin Ward: Bringing in water from the Ogallala all those things. But one of the things that gets missed in all this is the legislature as a whole, without hearing from constituents has doesn't really get 01:07:22.350 --> 01:07:32.040 Kevin Ward: the full gist of some of these projects. So for instance, if we're moving water. I'm just taking an example here from the Trinity basin into the San Jacinto basin. 01:07:32.850 --> 01:07:38.880 Kevin Ward: And it's going into water supply that discharges into the San Jacinto River. 01:07:39.420 --> 01:07:48.240 Kevin Ward: And creates reuse water. There's two water supplies provided for the city of Houston. The same goes with the Trinity goes and takes water from 01:07:48.660 --> 01:07:57.600 Kevin Ward: You know the East Texas. It comes in and the reuse water goes down to Houston and it provides water for industry. So it could benefit potentially 50% of the population of the state. 01:07:58.320 --> 01:08:01.620 Kevin Ward: Walthour for the one for the High Plains, you know, trying to replace the 01:08:01.620 --> 01:08:10.200 Kevin Ward: water supply there or have access. It's a huge impact on agriculture and it has a huge impact on the economics of the state. 01:08:10.650 --> 01:08:16.560 Kevin Ward: So if we kind of wanted to look at some of these interregionals and provide at least commentary 01:08:16.980 --> 01:08:25.590 Kevin Ward: on them, it wouldn't be hard for the Board to put some of that together and for us to maybe triage and and see if there's some elements missing in the first 50 years 01:08:26.130 --> 01:08:34.950 Kevin Ward: that come up later because you know most of these that they may start providing water by 2050 but the reuse water won't be provided until 01:08:35.310 --> 01:08:51.270 Kevin Ward: 2070, 2090 you know somewhere out in the future, but yet it's there and it prevents us from having, it stretches water resources to develop projects in the future. So that's kind of how I took some of this, and I hope that we can at least try to 01:08:52.980 --> 01:08:59.580 Kevin Ward: Get a little further out of our comfort zone on on the other projects that maybe someone didn't identify 01:09:00.000 --> 01:09:05.520 Kevin Ward: And that's why I said I want to look at some of the alternatives that are out there because maybe there's some alternatives that we as a group see that 01:09:05.910 --> 01:09:17.760 Kevin Ward: you know, while I'm not going to tell Region C what to do, unfortunately for them, the legislature asked us to at least comment on it. And so did Chairman Larson, like, hey, there's something out there and see it. Why don't you 01:09:18.360 --> 01:09:32.520 Kevin Ward: tell us about it. You can discount it or Region C can go testify on it, or Region D or region whoever, but at the same time, it doesn't escape our responsibility here if we can meet the requirement. So that's, that's my two bits. 01:09:34.800 --> 01:09:37.620 Kelley Holcomb: This is Kelley. I got a question for Temple or Matt. 01:09:37.980 --> 01:09:45.180 Kelley Holcomb: The solicitation that y'all have out for interregional projects, how does that tie into what we're talking about? 01:09:48.780 --> 01:09:51.240 Temple McKinnon: I sent that to y'all just that you were aware of it. It was required 01:09:53.610 --> 01:10:01.200 Temple McKinnon: by a bill this past session. So we have a request for information out. We're not obligated to fund anything or we're just 01:10:01.740 --> 01:10:21.870 Temple McKinnon: the point is I think the responses due July 1 perhaps to receive input on these types of multi regional projects that perhaps a potential project sponsor is aware of or intending to pursue. So I sent it to you is just as due diligence, since it's a topic of discussion 01:10:22.770 --> 01:10:24.480 Temple McKinnon: that this committee is covering. I wanted 01:10:24.480 --> 01:10:25.410 Temple McKinnon: you to be aware of it. 01:10:26.280 --> 01:10:34.650 Matt Nelson: I can say that that's that would be a information that's available the next planning round people could see those those ideas. 01:10:36.480 --> 01:10:41.250 Kelley Holcomb: It's also information, we could see prior to us, concluding our work correct? 01:10:42.690 --> 01:10:44.190 Temple McKinnon: It's gonna come in as just, you know, 01:10:44.400 --> 01:10:57.990 Temple McKinnon: not to exceed two pages of narrative statements. So I don't know to what degree. I'll just, I can combine all of that and send it to you. I'll have to see what form it's in and what we get, how quickly I can turn that around to you. That's my intent is to share with you the results of it. 01:10:59.880 --> 01:11:01.680 Kelley Holcomb: I mean Kevin, would you agree that's 01:11:01.680 --> 01:11:10.440 Kelley Holcomb: kind of a broad net to fish with and hoped it would drag in some of these other alternative projects that may or may not have made it through the planning process. 01:11:11.610 --> 01:11:15.450 Kevin Ward: Yeah, it's pretty broad net so it might, you know, 01:11:16.470 --> 01:11:17.250 Kevin Ward: Just like 01:11:19.170 --> 01:11:22.080 Kevin Ward: when I look at item A as revised right now 01:11:23.430 --> 01:11:35.490 Kevin Ward: this including recommendations for the state involvement where appropriate. Currently, all you gotta do is make an application and ask the state for participation and the Water Board looks at the requirements under the statutes and if it meets those requirements, then it could 01:11:37.050 --> 01:11:47.400 Kevin Ward: the project and they got a prioritization system because of the regional water plan and state water, and the state water process that scores these things and then they distribute funds 01:11:47.400 --> 01:11:49.080 Kevin Ward: accordingly. So 01:11:49.110 --> 01:11:49.980 Kevin Ward: I'm not so sure that 01:11:50.100 --> 01:11:55.110 Kevin Ward: You know, adding that in unless we unless we think that's a poor way to do it. I mean, 01:11:56.490 --> 01:12:00.420 Kevin Ward: which I don't think it's a poor way to do it. We've got a lot of funding going out the door now. 01:12:00.930 --> 01:12:14.850 Kevin Ward: I think there's a lot of skin in the game by the state. If you really get down to it. I mean, last I checked, if someone gives you up $1.6 billion for about 2% interest and participates in the payments for up to 01:12:16.050 --> 01:12:33.810 Kevin Ward: 10 years. That's a lot of skin in the game right here. So, so, you know, if they don't have to be a project sponsor that they're an underwriter. So if we could agree that maybe if we get down to the recommendations to leave the this the way that 01:12:34.290 --> 01:12:35.010 Kevin Ward: is 01:12:35.160 --> 01:12:45.300 Kevin Ward: alone and not suggest that the state should actually build, own and operate its own projects. There were thoughts in the past where that would happen. 01:12:47.520 --> 01:12:48.750 Kevin Ward: A reservoir, for instance, all 01:12:48.750 --> 01:13:03.810 Kevin Ward: By itself and for the people to come. But that's kind of gone by the wayside with the way things work right now. So as we comment on the regional water planning process selection of projects. You know, I don't know that they specifically asked us to comment on the funding. 01:13:04.890 --> 01:13:15.510 Kevin Ward: And I don't think that was in any other charges. And I don't think that was on anyone's mind in this interregional coordination, we do if we stay away from that we save yourself some time, I can tell you that. 01:13:17.100 --> 01:13:31.620 Suzanne Schwartz: And I want to just do a process check right now, you know, part of the what we're trying to do at this point is to advance ourselves to a point where you know the the ideas. I think I've had a great discussion. And I think it's going to benefit the committee. I'm wondering if 01:13:32.250 --> 01:13:51.960 Suzanne Schwartz: It just as a looking at time management if if this might be a time to think about just kind of summarizing up and seeing if we need if there any other ideas or any further discussion or if there are sufficient information that might turn this over to the committee at this point. Yeah. 01:13:53.850 --> 01:14:08.910 Suzanne Scott: That's what I think. I mean, I think there's a lot of conversation that needs to take place here and we're not real sure exactly what this group wants to to focus on. So turning it over to the committee, I think would make us some progress on this conversation. 01:14:11.910 --> 01:14:25.800 Suzanne Schwartz: So unless someone has some other things I'd like to add to this list, it seems to me you've got a list that is at least a starting point for a committee to work on. And I think you've had some good discussion that will that will inform the Committee. 01:14:27.810 --> 01:14:40.950 Temple McKinnon: Right. Would you like me to clarify item A what I was hearing as y'all were talking about through state participation funding versus as a project sponsor as the state's role. Do I need to capture any of that or 01:14:42.420 --> 01:14:44.670 Temple McKinnon: Could a committee move forward with it as written. 01:14:47.400 --> 01:14:59.430 Suzanne Scott: I think you sort of capture that in the where appropriate could be funding, or whatever. And I also think tying in the work that you're going to be getting the response to the information request would would dovetail into that too. 01:15:06.150 --> 01:15:09.210 Suzanne Schwartz: Are we ready to move on to the ways to enhance interregional 01:15:11.730 --> 01:15:12.600 Suzanne Schwartz: I think we are 01:15:13.140 --> 01:15:28.530 Suzanne Schwartz: Yeah, so let's just go ahead and move toward that unless I hear somebody who who's dying to say something else on this on this last topic. On this we had a draft. If you'll recall, we had a draft problem statement from the last meeting you, 01:15:30.300 --> 01:15:31.140 Suzanne Schwartz: We were 01:15:32.370 --> 01:15:34.380 Suzanne Schwartz: Given we invited it we 01:15:34.440 --> 01:15:55.920 Suzanne Schwartz: Did not have a final motion on it and there had been enough discussion that the the the item was sent at the Council was asked to comment on the language we had drafted during the meeting. And we took comments that were received and have added them into this statement. 01:15:57.120 --> 01:15:59.640 Suzanne Schwartz: What we'd like to do at this meeting, then, is to 01:16:00.960 --> 01:16:17.970 Suzanne Schwartz: Have you take a look at this. Have a short discussion. See if this is language, you can live with, or if there are additional changes, you would like. Again, the underlined language was based upon recommendations that are input we got in email, 01:16:19.260 --> 01:16:23.130 Suzanne Schwartz: Via email from from various members of the Council. 01:16:27.180 --> 01:16:31.350 Suzanne Schwartz: Give you guys a second to finish reading it and then maybe open discussion briefly. 01:17:03.720 --> 01:17:17.550 Suzanne Scott: Suzanne. This is Suzanne. I think I still have the same concern about adding calling out the agricultural and natural resource. Again, I support those very much but I'm just concerned about 01:17:17.970 --> 01:17:19.140 Suzanne Scott: Highlighting that 01:17:21.240 --> 01:17:32.250 Suzanne Scott: In the fact that, then you would have you potentially call out that other people may not think that we're effectively coordinating on other things too. So calling those two out 01:17:33.300 --> 01:17:34.710 Suzanne Scott: Implies that we're 01:17:36.900 --> 01:17:41.400 Suzanne Scott: Doing well on other things that we may not so I you know I would suggest that we 01:17:42.930 --> 01:17:49.110 Suzanne Scott: Leave it as it was before the ad if but again I wasn't in the conversations so 01:17:49.950 --> 01:17:51.360 Suzanne Schwartz: And again, that, that, that 01:17:51.420 --> 01:17:58.860 Suzanne Schwartz: Conversation did not include that language because it was that was come in information we got in between the meetings so 01:18:00.270 --> 01:18:01.890 Jim Thompson: This is Jim Thompson. 01:18:03.120 --> 01:18:11.760 Jim Thompson: As you can imagine, I'm the one that added that clause since you saw the other clauses before. But the reason I thought it was important at this point 01:18:12.150 --> 01:18:18.180 Jim Thompson: Because they're specifically referencing, although there have been few interregional conflicts 01:18:18.660 --> 01:18:25.740 Jim Thompson: the regions may not be coordinating effectively on shared water resources, the development of multi regional projects, 01:18:26.370 --> 01:18:38.220 Jim Thompson: or the impacts on agricultural and natural resources of those projects. And the reason I thought it was pertinent here is because on the only interregional conflict and I'm aware of 01:18:38.640 --> 01:18:49.560 Jim Thompson: Those were exactly the issues that came up. So that's when you know when I saw the words, although there have been few interregional conflicts. I think that was 01:18:50.490 --> 01:19:03.510 Jim Thompson: And I think Kevin will agree with me that that's that was one of the problems that are not enough perhaps or not enough discussion early on with respect to those impacts or the water resources or the development of projects. 01:19:03.510 --> 01:19:03.780 Jim Thompson: But 01:19:04.380 --> 01:19:06.660 Jim Thompson: I'll leave that to him decide whether that's 01:19:06.660 --> 01:19:14.100 Jim Thompson: True or not. But I think for the instance that I'm aware of as far as the interregional conflict, that was the source of the problem. 01:19:20.520 --> 01:19:23.370 Suzanne Scott: And do you feel that's not covered under a 01:19:23.490 --> 01:19:24.720 Suzanne Scott: shared water resources? 01:19:26.700 --> 01:19:40.650 Jim Thompson: Well, I I don't personally think that's covered under shared water resources. It sounds to me like when you just say shared water resources, you're not really looking at the other impact that was involved in the interregional conflict. 01:19:44.700 --> 01:19:47.010 Suzanne Schwartz: What, what would it 01:19:48.300 --> 01:19:50.940 Temple McKinnon: It looks like Kevin's trying to speak, but you're muted, Kevin. 01:19:52.050 --> 01:19:54.510 Kevin Ward: I unmuted and it mutes itself again. So it's crazy. 01:19:56.220 --> 01:19:59.970 Kevin Ward: Okay, so, you know, 01:20:01.260 --> 01:20:04.050 Kevin Ward: I think it fundamentally changes this item when you add 01:20:04.050 --> 01:20:04.530 Kevin Ward: That in 01:20:05.430 --> 01:20:13.230 Kevin Ward: Because, I mean, you could say the same thing about we don't coordinate well enough on how we could use that water supply to provide 01:20:13.860 --> 01:20:24.480 Kevin Ward: municipal water supply for that region of origin out into the future and. And again, I'm going to say all these things without out of assigning any blame to any party. 01:20:25.680 --> 01:20:45.360 Kevin Ward: On the coordination, the agricultural and natural resources, you know, it gets back to my concern that we, we, if you want to say it's an afterthought, then you need to assign that blame to all the other projects in the water plan, all of them, because the, the fact is that don't 01:20:47.010 --> 01:20:47.820 Kevin Ward: analyses 01:20:48.480 --> 01:21:05.940 Kevin Ward: in a very deep way on most projects on any for that matter, that's not already at a 404 permitting stage. And so that's in this context, I have a little bit more heartburn and putting it in than I did on the other, because it kind of speaks against the 01:21:07.050 --> 01:21:09.090 Kevin Ward: The overall aspect of 01:21:10.650 --> 01:21:12.900 Kevin Ward: care and concern that we really have established a 01:21:12.900 --> 01:21:21.540 Kevin Ward: fundamental criteria for natural resource impact and agriculture impacts for any strategy that's developed in water plan. We instead 01:21:23.010 --> 01:21:25.740 Kevin Ward: seem to decide on what that should be 01:21:25.770 --> 01:21:26.520 Kevin Ward: Based on 01:21:26.790 --> 01:21:28.170 Kevin Ward: Whether the project is liked or 01:21:28.170 --> 01:21:29.280 Kevin Ward: not by all parties. 01:21:31.500 --> 01:21:31.800 Suzanne Schwartz: I'm 01:21:33.120 --> 01:21:41.010 Suzanne Schwartz: One thing I'm wondering, having heard the conversation of the other item on the other issue when you had the similar discussion, I'm 01:21:42.120 --> 01:21:47.910 Suzanne Schwartz: wondering if you could solve the problem by saying regions may not be coordinating 01:21:48.180 --> 01:21:52.770 Suzanne Schwartz: effectively on issues related to shared water resources if that might 01:21:53.730 --> 01:22:03.150 Suzanne Schwartz: That might imply any of the issues that you're dealing with. Again I it just as an idea, having heard your discussion so far and 01:22:06.390 --> 01:22:07.470 Suzanne Scott: I think that sounds 01:22:08.640 --> 01:22:15.780 Suzanne Scott: good, because I think that definition of shared water resources here is any, any user 01:22:16.050 --> 01:22:18.720 Suzanne Scott: that would be relying on the same water. 01:22:20.310 --> 01:22:31.770 Suzanne Scott: Which, of course, Agriculture and Natural Resources would be relying on the same water, potentially, that would be used in these other projects. Other think it's a good idea. 01:22:37.230 --> 01:22:51.270 Suzanne Schwartz: If you did that, you would eliminate the underlined language on about impacts on ag and natural resources. Again, Jim. I don't know if that dilutes your, what's your concern is enough. And I don't know if it solves the issues for other people, but that just a thought. 01:22:59.880 --> 01:23:02.910 Kelley Holcomb: Well, just as a as a last aside on the topic. 01:23:04.110 --> 01:23:21.420 Kelley Holcomb: Those issues on ag and natural resources as well as a host of other resource based issues are all determined as part of a permit issuance process that is thoroughly vetted, well noted and fraught with a lot of arguing and infighting. I don't see 01:23:22.770 --> 01:23:24.810 Kelley Holcomb: our job is being 01:23:25.920 --> 01:23:41.370 Kelley Holcomb: certainly not getting engaged at that level, to try to arbitrate those things. Our thought we were supposed to be trying to lay out some best management practices and encourage and enhance, to the best of our ability not actually solve the disputes. 01:23:43.410 --> 01:23:43.800 Suzanne Scott: Yes. 01:23:44.490 --> 01:23:45.660 Melanie Barnes: Melanie has a comment. 01:23:46.170 --> 01:23:49.230 Melanie Barnes: Um, I think if we go back to what we're looking at. 01:23:49.230 --> 01:23:53.640 Melanie Barnes: Which is enhancing interregional coordination that that 01:23:53.700 --> 01:23:55.200 Melanie Barnes: the underlined red 01:23:55.950 --> 01:23:57.990 Melanie Barnes: the or impacts excetera 01:23:59.760 --> 01:24:11.880 Melanie Barnes: is not necessary because what we're focusing on, or what I think we should focus on the problem is, are we getting together soon enough to talk about this so we can work things out. 01:24:12.780 --> 01:24:23.220 Melanie Barnes: And and so you know our record naming effectively on issues related to share about the resources or the development of multi regional projects. That's the issue. 01:24:24.540 --> 01:24:26.490 Melanie Barnes: And that's the problem in my mind. 01:24:28.110 --> 01:24:33.600 Melanie Barnes: The impacts is just part of it and and I would agree on this on. It doesn't need to be separated out 01:24:35.670 --> 01:24:46.080 Melanie Barnes: even though I think it's really important. But I realize that it comes up in the planning and what we're talking about here is coordinating the planning early enough that we have time to talk about all those things. 01:24:50.760 --> 01:24:52.830 Suzanne Schwartz: Any other discussion of this or 01:24:55.980 --> 01:24:58.890 Suzanne Scott: So I guess Kelley is suggesting that maybe that 01:25:00.600 --> 01:25:01.530 Suzanne Scott: That whole 01:25:01.770 --> 01:25:02.910 Suzanne Scott: Sentence that words. 01:25:03.930 --> 01:25:06.690 Suzanne Scott: Are you suggesting Kelley that we would go, although there have been 01:25:07.110 --> 01:25:18.180 Suzanne Scott: few interregional conflicts and all the way down to coordination requirements are not fully formalized in the statute or rule and just forget that regions may not be coordinating effectively. 01:25:18.840 --> 01:25:27.330 Suzanne Scott: Are you suggesting that that's not needed, given the fact that we're calling out something that we're really not going to address. I'm trying to understand the comment that you were making 01:25:29.160 --> 01:25:35.700 Kelley Holcomb: That regions not coordinating effectively. That was mine from one of our previous meetings and we were talking about 01:25:36.270 --> 01:25:48.180 Kelley Holcomb: You know the conflicts as as if we have them all the time and my comment originally was, we do a lot of things right. This effort requires us to focus on the things we're not doing so well. 01:25:48.690 --> 01:26:01.140 Kelley Holcomb: So that was why some of that language is in there. My original my comment a moment ago was that we should not be calling out agricultural and natural resources or any other resource based 01:26:01.890 --> 01:26:09.570 Kelley Holcomb: component as a result of this, because all of that is resolved in some other permitted process that is very public and very open. 01:26:10.140 --> 01:26:22.800 Kelley Holcomb: So I would be in favor of taking off the or the impacts on ag and natural resources of proposed projects. Keep the other insertions but remove that one sentence fragmentation. Suzanne Scott: Okay. 01:26:23.010 --> 01:26:25.920 Mark Evans: If that's a motion, I'll seconded it. And if it's not, I'll make it. 01:26:26.760 --> 01:26:26.910 Suzanne Scott: Yeah. 01:26:27.300 --> 01:26:28.140 Suzanne Scott: I was just gonna say 01:26:28.200 --> 01:26:29.850 Kelley Holcomb: You go right ahead and I'll second it, Mark. 01:26:32.100 --> 01:26:49.440 Suzanne Scott: So Temple, could you remove the red. Just so everyone knows what that the motion would be that that would be removed and then the there would be issues related to shared water resources and the development of multi instead of for. Is that correct, is that would that be the motion. 01:26:50.100 --> 01:26:55.260 Kevin Ward: I think they also wanted to change it to be may not be instead of just an absolutely not. 01:26:55.560 --> 01:26:56.700 Suzanne Schwartz: Right, and that's already 01:26:56.790 --> 01:26:58.530 Suzanne Schwartz: That is reflected on the language. 01:26:59.040 --> 01:27:05.040 Kevin Ward: Right, I don't know, but Kelley that be something you original language. So are you okay with saying may not be. 01:27:05.970 --> 01:27:07.740 Kelley Holcomb: I am I am okay with that. Yes. 01:27:09.960 --> 01:27:12.270 Suzanne Scott: Okay. So Mark, is this your motion that 01:27:12.420 --> 01:27:13.920 Suzanne Scott: As it's written on the screen. 01:27:14.490 --> 01:27:14.970 Mark Evans: It is. 01:27:16.440 --> 01:27:17.040 Suzanne Scott: Is there a second? 01:27:17.580 --> 01:27:17.940 Patrick Brzozowski: Second. 01:27:19.440 --> 01:27:21.960 Kelley Holcomb: Okay, Pat. Patrick and Kelley both. 01:27:23.880 --> 01:27:24.210 Kelley Holcomb: You can give it to Patrick. It's all good. 01:27:24.630 --> 01:27:27.660 Suzanne Scott: Is there any more discussion on the edits 01:27:27.720 --> 01:27:28.830 Suzanne Scott: that are on the screen. 01:27:32.130 --> 01:27:32.820 Suzanne Scott: All right. 01:27:33.240 --> 01:27:40.110 Suzanne Scott: If not, then could if you have an issue or if you're opposed to what's 01:27:40.710 --> 01:27:42.180 Suzanne Scott: here, please raise your hand. 01:27:44.700 --> 01:27:45.390 Opposed. 01:27:46.560 --> 01:27:47.970 Suzanne Scott: Anybody seeing again. 01:27:49.500 --> 01:27:51.750 Suzanne Schwartz: I'm not seeing any hands up. 01:27:52.830 --> 01:27:55.110 Suzanne Scott: Right, and I think we can move forward. 01:27:56.760 --> 01:28:04.020 Suzanne Schwartz: Alright, the next step is to go to the goal statement. Again, this is what you are, what, what will what 01:28:05.130 --> 01:28:12.240 Suzanne Schwartz: in what interregional, enhanced interregional coordination will look like if you solve this problem statement, you just 01:28:14.550 --> 01:28:20.460 Suzanne Schwartz: dealt with again, as you can tell this is language that Jim suggested adding to the 01:28:21.510 --> 01:28:32.910 Suzanne Schwartz: To a goal statement that we had. So just this. We're what happened with this as we got ideas we heard things from you will. And then Temple, Matt 01:28:33.510 --> 01:28:46.260 Suzanne Schwartz: and I actually drafted language. We sent that out and then got comments, the underlined and struck out language was Jim's reaction to that so 01:28:47.370 --> 01:29:02.550 Suzanne Schwartz: What we want to do today, again, is to try to see if y'all have not really discussed the goal statement at all. So I think it's ripe for you all to look at the language and decide if this is what you think the goal a goal would look like for this. 01:29:03.870 --> 01:29:05.760 Suzanne Schwartz: This particular topic. 01:29:09.330 --> 01:29:09.690 Suzanne Schwartz: Kevin 01:29:12.330 --> 01:29:12.990 Suzanne Schwartz: you're muted. 01:29:14.760 --> 01:29:18.930 Kevin Ward: It's crazy. I hit unmute. Is someone muting me while I'm unmuting or what. 01:29:19.980 --> 01:29:26.820 Kevin Ward: Anyway, so I recommend we strike the red language and go with the original language. It was here because it ties in the previous item. 01:29:29.070 --> 01:29:33.390 Kevin Ward: Mean I don't have a problem with everything else. I just think calling out that 01:29:35.580 --> 01:29:35.910 You know, 01:29:38.370 --> 01:29:45.510 Kevin Ward: I know this is a little bit differently, but i think calling it out separately like that for what we're talking about right here. 01:29:49.320 --> 01:29:57.300 Kevin Ward: The rest of it has to be done when we address water supply needs. We have to do the rest of it. And there's a lot of water conservation has to be addressed. 01:29:58.590 --> 01:29:59.220 Kevin Ward: You know, I could go on. 01:29:59.490 --> 01:30:00.120 Natural resources. 01:30:01.980 --> 01:30:02.490 Kelley Holcomb: Natural resources. 01:30:03.090 --> 01:30:04.650 Kevin Ward: There's so many other things to 01:30:05.880 --> 01:30:14.520 Suzanne Schwartz: I wonder,if we want to take this language since we've dealt with this topic, the protection of ag and natural resources, if we want to take that issue up first and then 01:30:14.940 --> 01:30:25.890 Suzanne Schwartz: Look at the the language as a whole. Jim, I know you like this language does anybody else support at this point, the inclusion of The underlined language. 01:30:26.100 --> 01:30:26.820 Jim Thompson: But, well, I 01:30:27.030 --> 01:30:28.110 Jim Thompson: would just like to say 01:30:29.040 --> 01:30:30.630 Jim Thompson: And I know that I'm probably beating a 01:30:30.840 --> 01:30:32.880 Jim Thompson: dead horse here, but I'll do it anyway. 01:30:34.710 --> 01:30:52.320 Jim Thompson: This language in the goal is a little bit broader than the other end. It says that we're going to identify and share knowledge areas of mutual interest, cooperate to address water supply needs and then the language and protect protection of agricultural and natural resources. 01:30:53.640 --> 01:30:54.960 Jim Thompson: I just think that 01:30:56.010 --> 01:31:03.540 Jim Thompson: Would take a little bit of issue. Some things have been said said, well, this can all be dealt with on the permitting stage. 01:31:03.960 --> 01:31:13.740 Jim Thompson: Well, the water planning statute says it should be dealt with at the planning stage also because they said, not only are we supposed to provide for the water supplies need but 01:31:14.220 --> 01:31:20.130 Jim Thompson: one of the things it's supposed to do, and I agree, there are numerous things in there. But one of the things we're supposed to do 01:31:20.520 --> 01:31:34.290 Jim Thompson: Is to also protect the agricultural and natural resources of the regions in the state. So, so that's the only reason I brought it up. Like I said, I realize that looks like I'm in the far minority here but 01:31:34.620 --> 01:31:37.500 Jim Thompson: That's been our experience here in this region, and that was 01:31:37.680 --> 01:31:49.080 Jim Thompson: Always the sticking point before and to say that, well, we can just do it at the permitting stage and not worry about it at this point, I think, is neglecting what the statute says. 01:31:51.540 --> 01:31:52.290 Melanie Barnes: I have a comment. 01:31:53.280 --> 01:31:53.760 Suzanne Schwartz: Melanie 01:31:55.440 --> 01:31:55.800 Melanie Barnes: I 01:31:57.150 --> 01:31:59.550 Melanie Barnes: I concur with Jim because 01:32:01.110 --> 01:32:14.880 Melanie Barnes: If a region next to another region doesn't understand that their neighbor is is putting natural resources like springs or is putting ag land. 01:32:15.630 --> 01:32:28.440 Melanie Barnes: Ahead when they're making decisions. I think it's important for the region next door to know that because then they'll understand why there might be an issue in some of the sharing that they're not just developing water to drink. 01:32:29.610 --> 01:32:31.350 Melanie Barnes: That they also have 01:32:34.080 --> 01:32:49.410 Melanie Barnes: We each, in each of our own regions we have certain things that have more and and so I think for each region to know that about each other. And the whole point of this section is for the regions to 01:32:49.830 --> 01:32:51.150 Kelley Holcomb: Melanie Barnes: Coordinate sooner in the 01:32:51.150 --> 01:32:53.220 Melanie Barnes: Process, rather than get slapped 01:32:53.220 --> 01:32:58.620 Melanie Barnes: In the face with something at the end, like, Oh, we're going to take your water and the heck with your springs. I mean, it's not that 01:32:59.490 --> 01:33:13.440 Melanie Barnes: Bad. I don't think but but that's just an issue that comes to mind as to why you would mention the ag and the natural resources, because we all do have different priorities and I realize some would have a different priority for mining 01:33:14.220 --> 01:33:15.510 Melanie Barnes: Or industrial 01:33:15.630 --> 01:33:18.660 Melanie Barnes: And things like that, or water recreation waters, swimming. 01:33:25.980 --> 01:33:29.670 Suzanne Scott: I think that she's, she's frozen up on me but I 01:33:30.030 --> 01:33:36.000 Melanie Barnes: Think others and it's important, sorry. Is it my connection. Yeah. 01:33:37.140 --> 01:33:38.460 Kelley Holcomb: Yes, ma'am. It's terribly bad. 01:33:41.730 --> 01:33:44.250 Suzanne Schwartz: I wonder if anyone else has any 01:33:46.050 --> 01:33:46.860 Suzanne Schwartz: Does anyone else want to 01:33:47.910 --> 01:33:50.550 Suzanne Schwartz: Try to support, including this language. 01:33:51.060 --> 01:33:56.190 Jim Thompson: I would just like to add one, one further thing and that is I think it 01:33:57.240 --> 01:34:03.930 Jim Thompson: embellishes on what Melanie was saying is, and I've heard people at these when we introduced ourselves that 01:34:04.500 --> 01:34:06.000 Jim Thompson: There's no one shows up to their 01:34:06.000 --> 01:34:14.100 Jim Thompson: meetings and so forth. Well, that is not the case when certain subjects come up in our meeting, we will have hundreds upon hundreds 01:34:14.460 --> 01:34:22.800 Jim Thompson: of people show up expressing their concerns with protecting these things and I agree with Melanie in that just because a 01:34:23.520 --> 01:34:31.980 Jim Thompson: regional water planning group wants to come over and utilize water supply sources, they may not understand the industry involved in the 01:34:32.640 --> 01:34:44.100 Jim Thompson: agricultural products involved, or the difference between a red oak tree and a pine tree and why those both are important to those areas to supply their industrial needs. 01:34:44.100 --> 01:34:44.520 Jim Thompson: So, 01:34:45.090 --> 01:35:00.630 Jim Thompson: I think there's that is the reason I keep talking about this with respect to it is just from personal experience. And like I said, we will, we have our meetings during the middle of the day and not convenient for people to come to that are working and so 01:35:00.630 --> 01:35:01.260 Jim Thompson: forth, but 01:35:01.740 --> 01:35:02.790 Jim Thompson: We get real crowded 01:35:02.790 --> 01:35:11.400 Jim Thompson: meetings when we start discussing this subject because specifically of the protection of agriculture and natural resources and that's why I wanted to highlight it. 01:35:14.070 --> 01:35:15.150 Suzanne Scott: And I think Jim 01:35:16.020 --> 01:35:26.880 Suzanne Scott: I think we all agree that protecting ag and natural resources are extremely important and we agree with that in Region L, it's just I guess the concern is that there are other things that people in other district, 01:35:26.910 --> 01:35:32.130 Suzanne Scott: In other regions may want to highlight. For example, a big issue here that we have is about drought. 01:35:32.820 --> 01:35:33.570 Suzanne Scott: And about 01:35:33.930 --> 01:35:40.500 Suzanne Scott: You know, managing the spring flows and things like that. They're also related to drought management issues. 01:35:40.500 --> 01:35:41.550 Suzanne Scott: And so, you know, 01:35:41.700 --> 01:35:46.080 Suzanne Scott: If we're going to suggest and bring out agricultural and natural resources. 01:35:46.410 --> 01:35:47.730 Suzanne Scott: You know, should we say 01:35:48.270 --> 01:35:50.940 Suzanne Scott: You know, drought management and 01:35:52.170 --> 01:35:54.210 Suzanne Scott: Economic Development and 01:35:55.140 --> 01:36:04.830 Suzanne Scott: You know, things like that that are also very important to other regions, and I'm not saying the ag and natural resources aren't important, because I would like to say bays and estuaries in here because it's also very important here. 01:36:05.550 --> 01:36:12.420 Suzanne Scott: For our for ours as well on my I'm just concerned that calling that one out would suggest that it is a 01:36:12.630 --> 01:36:13.050 It's 01:36:15.180 --> 01:36:17.970 Suzanne Scott: It has a higher priority. 01:36:18.660 --> 01:36:35.430 Suzanne Scott: Than other water demand areas throughout the state. And I know it's important to your region. And it's important to ours. But there are other issues that are as well. So I'm trying to figure out how to address your concern without 01:36:36.450 --> 01:36:42.510 Suzanne Scott: Assume without making it seem like other issues in the state aren't equally as important to other districts, other regions. 01:36:42.630 --> 01:36:46.170 Patrick Brzozowski: So could you take out that 01:36:47.190 --> 01:36:53.910 Patrick Brzozowski: protection of agricultural and natural resources and replace that with potential impacts? 01:36:54.330 --> 01:36:55.440 Patrick Brzozowski: Just those two words? 01:36:59.820 --> 01:37:02.160 Patrick Brzozowski: Because that's what all those things are right? 01:37:03.180 --> 01:37:06.300 Patrick Brzozowski: They're impacts that need to be addressed or cooperated on 01:37:10.980 --> 01:37:12.030 Kelley Holcomb: Patrick this is Kelley. 01:37:12.150 --> 01:37:22.410 Kelley Holcomb: I think you're exactly right. And again, I'm the one that made the comment about permitting. So Jim, I'm not, again, I'm not trying to be difficult or take issue with what you're saying. You're correct. 01:37:23.430 --> 01:37:30.390 Kelley Holcomb: The issue for me, as has been addressed by others in the group is that you can't call out one without calling them all out. 01:37:31.080 --> 01:37:43.920 Kelley Holcomb: And I think a simple solution that gets everyone what they want is maybe we come up with that definitive list of what those potential impacts are, note them in the body of the report somewhere, 01:37:44.520 --> 01:37:56.790 Kelley Holcomb: And to make the Leg and every, every reader aware that we acknowledge these are all potential issues that need to be addressed and coordinated. Patrick, that kind of what follows what you're describing 01:37:57.090 --> 01:37:58.260 Patrick Brzozowski: No, I think that's right. 01:37:58.770 --> 01:38:04.830 Jim Thompson: Yes, to short circuit the process I will be fine with adding, changing that and just saying potential impacts. 01:38:04.830 --> 01:38:08.790 Melanie Barnes: And and I would like to say, I think I would 01:38:09.390 --> 01:38:11.130 Melanie Barnes: Write it this is being picky. 01:38:12.240 --> 01:38:13.890 Melanie Barnes: Knowledge of areas of mutual 01:38:13.890 --> 01:38:14.610 Melanie Barnes: interest, 01:38:14.760 --> 01:38:20.970 Melanie Barnes: potential impacts and cooperate to address water supply needs. 01:38:23.100 --> 01:38:25.290 Suzanne Schwartz: So just changing the location of that Melanie. 01:38:25.320 --> 01:38:26.850 Melanie Barnes: Yeah, just changing location. 01:38:30.000 --> 01:38:34.620 Melanie Barnes: But that's picky, so if people don't like it that's okay. Can you hear me better here? 01:38:35.160 --> 01:38:36.450 Suzanne Schwartz: Yes. 01:38:36.480 --> 01:38:38.700 Melanie Barnes: Okay, thank you. Sorry. 01:38:40.110 --> 01:38:41.910 Suzanne Scott: I think that's it. That seems like 01:38:43.230 --> 01:38:44.070 Suzanne Scott: A good edit. 01:38:45.900 --> 01:38:58.800 Suzanne Scott: And it seems like it will get to Jim's issue because I think we all agree with his issue. It's just we know that that that other other regions have other issues they would like to have highlighted here as well. 01:39:00.030 --> 01:39:00.900 Suzanne Scott: So, 01:39:02.460 --> 01:39:07.680 Suzanne Scott: Do we have a motion to accept this language. 01:39:08.220 --> 01:39:09.390 Mark Evans: I would make that motion, to approve the 01:39:11.100 --> 01:39:12.810 Mark Evans: goal statement as currently drafted. 01:39:13.890 --> 01:39:15.870 Suzanne Scott: And Russell, are you seconding? 01:39:16.380 --> 01:39:21.090 Russell Schreiber: Yes Suzanne Scott: Okay. Any further discussion on this goal statement? 01:39:25.590 --> 01:39:26.100 Suzanne Scott: Anybody 01:39:28.050 --> 01:39:28.860 Suzanne Scott: All right, any 01:39:30.480 --> 01:39:33.870 Suzanne Scott: If you are opposed to this statement, please raise your hand. 01:39:37.980 --> 01:39:46.230 Suzanne Schwartz: I am not seeing any hands raised and I just want to confirm that people who are only on audio or who do not have their 01:39:47.520 --> 01:39:52.440 Suzanne Schwartz: visual up, you have a place you can raise your hand. So I'm assuming you know that 01:39:53.490 --> 01:39:57.180 Suzanne Schwartz: And with that said, I don't see any hands raised. 01:39:59.250 --> 01:40:02.010 Suzanne Scott: All right. Looks like we've got a goal statement. 01:40:04.230 --> 01:40:14.190 Suzanne Schwartz: Okay, with that and I think we're again looking at criteria for this again. What criteria are you, will you use to evaluate your solutions. 01:40:15.480 --> 01:40:16.170 Suzanne Schwartz: The 01:40:17.190 --> 01:40:29.130 Suzanne Schwartz: The last four are the ones you looked at for the last meeting for the for the prior item. The first A through F or A through 01:40:32.040 --> 01:40:40.830 Suzanne Schwartz: E were just other ideas, I think that had come out in various discussions. Again, these are just, this is not a list that you've agreed to so 01:40:41.160 --> 01:40:51.030 Suzanne Schwartz: Just a quick question, I guess the question for you all, is how do you, how will you know if the, if your solutions are going to be those some you want to pursue 01:40:52.620 --> 01:40:57.570 Suzanne Schwartz: Which of these, if any, or would you like to use as your criteria? 01:41:00.870 --> 01:41:03.360 Suzanne Schwartz: And or are there others you would like to add? 01:41:09.240 --> 01:41:10.620 Suzanne Schwartz: Melanie is your hand raised. 01:41:14.670 --> 01:41:15.960 Suzanne Schwartz: Your frozen. I think. 01:41:20.670 --> 01:41:26.490 Suzanne Scott: Is there something that we could get to Jim's concerns about the impacts since we added that in the 01:41:28.770 --> 01:41:42.060 Suzanne Scott: The original. I mean, we added that in the goal statement. Is there something that we could have there to specifically address as Kelley was saying that we could enumerate those particular 01:41:43.140 --> 01:41:47.220 Suzanne Scott: areas of coordination that would need to take place. 01:41:48.660 --> 01:41:51.120 Suzanne Scott: Just giving Jim an opportunity to see if we could put it here. 01:41:53.760 --> 01:42:08.100 Jim Thompson: I'm trying to figure out exactly what B is saying, I mean, I understand consideration for all water supply needs, including future supply needs of less developed areas, natural resource need, what does that mean? 01:42:13.890 --> 01:42:15.570 Suzanne Schwartz: Jim, those weret just picked up from 01:42:15.570 --> 01:42:29.460 Suzanne Schwartz: various input people sent in at some point. So if I don't know, I can't recall who sent that information in if it speaks to someone, I would ask you to to comment on that. 01:42:32.040 --> 01:42:36.840 Jim Thompson: I was just wondering if that would be somewhere. When we talk about water supply needs and 01:42:37.440 --> 01:42:39.180 Jim Thompson: that's somewhere we could put including 01:42:39.180 --> 01:42:39.990 Jim Thompson: impacts. 01:42:40.230 --> 01:42:46.680 Jim Thompson: Or something like that, just to get that addressed in there and not have a big ordeal about it. 01:43:12.990 --> 01:43:18.060 Suzanne Schwartz: Does that capture your ideas, Jim? Jim Thompson: Yes. Suzanne Schwartz: Okay, so just 01:43:18.300 --> 01:43:22.350 Suzanne Schwartz: guess some, we'd like to get your reaction or any of those 01:43:22.590 --> 01:43:28.320 Suzanne Schwartz: up there that you that anyone has concern about as a criteria? 01:43:29.520 --> 01:43:30.060 Suzanne Schwartz: Or 01:43:30.510 --> 01:43:31.620 Kevin Ward: My mute button, though. 01:43:32.040 --> 01:43:32.790 Kevin Ward: Good grief. 01:43:34.350 --> 01:43:36.870 Kevin Ward: I suggest you separate that out and make it the new C 01:43:39.780 --> 01:43:51.210 Kevin Ward: Because I don't want, I don't want to change the meaning of the consideration of our water supply needs, including feature water supply need to have less developed areas. That's kind of a separate thought and then considering including impacts to 01:43:52.230 --> 01:43:53.640 Kevin Ward: Consider impacts. I don't 01:43:53.880 --> 01:43:55.800 Melanie Barnes: Consider just consider 01:43:58.410 --> 01:44:00.960 Kevin Ward: That's all,I'll leave it at that for the group. 01:44:02.370 --> 01:44:03.780 Jim Thompson: Yeah, I'm, I'm fine with that. 01:44:06.780 --> 01:44:09.300 Kelley Holcomb: Yeah, again, are we going to develop this larger list of 01:44:10.590 --> 01:44:14.190 Kelley Holcomb: resource based items that need to be at least acknowledged. 01:44:18.330 --> 01:44:22.170 Kevin Ward: You're correct there, we gonna have to put this to a committee, I think and work on this one. 01:44:25.110 --> 01:44:32.190 Suzanne Schwartz: Would it be something you could reflect that ask the committee to add that in for possible 01:44:32.970 --> 01:44:35.700 Suzanne Schwartz: To add to the criteria without spending much time today 01:44:35.700 --> 01:44:38.610 Suzanne Schwartz: discussing it. Just perhaps put a note here that 01:44:39.420 --> 01:44:42.420 Suzanne Schwartz: It should be expanded to include the other the other 01:44:43.080 --> 01:44:45.870 Suzanne Schwartz: areas other issues that need to be evaluated? 01:44:46.710 --> 01:45:04.320 Jim Thompson: I don't have a problem changing rather than going into all that because it seems to me like the designating the agricultural and natural resources is what causing the heartburn here. I don't have a problem just shorten it like we did before. Say, consider impacts of 01:45:04.860 --> 01:45:06.690 Jim Thompson: proposed projects or whatever 01:45:06.690 --> 01:45:09.090 Jim Thompson: language, you want to use with respect to that. 01:45:19.380 --> 01:45:19.860 Suzanne Scott: And 01:45:21.750 --> 01:45:37.260 Suzanne Scott: Just, just a quick question about one thing that I read in the Minutes and I've noted here is that this idea of needing to do it earlier regional coordinate regions coordinate earlier and throughout. I'm just wondering, would it be appropriate to have a criteria here for 01:45:38.280 --> 01:45:40.140 Suzanne Scott: a process about 01:45:41.970 --> 01:45:43.380 Suzanne Scott: you know, something that would 01:45:45.600 --> 01:45:48.510 Suzanne Scott: enhance the process of coordination. 01:45:50.280 --> 01:46:00.690 Suzanne Scott: In other words, making it earlier in the process, making sure that the regional liaisons report out at every meeting. I don't know if there's some process issues. 01:46:00.900 --> 01:46:09.870 Suzanne Schwartz: So, so really the so you would evaluate them based upon the fact that it encourages early coordination. Suzanne Scott: Yes. 01:46:19.920 --> 01:46:37.230 Suzanne Schwartz: Looking at the list are these fairly, does anyone have anything you'd like to add, again, these are how you would look at the solutions and see if we have the committee, say, looking at what would be included as as action of this council, you would evaluate it based upon this list. 01:46:39.840 --> 01:46:45.360 Suzanne Schwartz: Does anyone have any heartburn with any items on this list at this point. 01:46:48.900 --> 01:46:54.120 Suzanne Schwartz: And not seeing any any indication. Anybody want to add anything? 01:46:57.780 --> 01:47:10.890 Suzanne Schwartz: If not, I wonder if there is, it's a good time for a motion for to see to approve this as the, for the Council to approve this as a list of criteria for to be used for evaluating solutions. 01:47:13.530 --> 01:47:26.400 Suzanne Scott: I would say if we could ask the motion to if the committee, where are the committee would have the flexibility to look at this in more detail. Yeah, versus this being it but so 01:47:26.610 --> 01:47:26.970 Suzanne Scott: Can we 01:47:27.000 --> 01:47:28.590 Suzanne Scott: have a motion to that 01:47:29.820 --> 01:47:34.020 Suzanne Scott: To allow for this to generally be your, your starting point for the committee to consider. 01:47:36.360 --> 01:47:36.930 Patrick Brzozowski: So oved.. 01:47:37.770 --> 01:47:39.150 Suzanne Scott: Patrick. 01:47:40.110 --> 01:47:41.820 Kelley Holcomb: Second. Kelley Holcomb. Second. 01:47:43.380 --> 01:47:44.880 Suzanne Scott: Okay. Any more discussion. 01:47:48.480 --> 01:47:53.640 Suzanne Scott: If not, if you have any. If you're opposed to this list, please raise your hand. 01:47:57.420 --> 01:47:59.820 Suzanne Schwartz: Again, I'm not seeing anyone opposed. 01:48:08.070 --> 01:48:11.430 Suzanne Scott: Looks like we have a list of criteria to guide the committee. 01:48:13.770 --> 01:48:20.430 Suzanne Schwartz: The next thing is to go on this item is to go into the solution possible solutions. I just want to take a quick 01:48:20.850 --> 01:48:31.650 Suzanne Schwartz: Check with you all, and we're certainly going to schedule a break. Do you want to try to get through this discussion, take a break and then get into the, interregional conflict topic. Will that be a 01:48:31.770 --> 01:48:33.240 Suzanne Schwartz: Good process for from 01:48:33.270 --> 01:48:39.300 Suzanne Schwartz: Time Management. Let's see if we can get this done. And then, then we'll start on the topic we'll take a break. 01:48:40.320 --> 01:48:42.090 Suzanne Scott: I think that would be good to get through this entire 01:48:43.380 --> 01:48:44.070 Suzanne Scott: Entire subject. 01:48:45.750 --> 01:48:49.080 Suzanne Schwartz: So again, these are possible solutions that various 01:48:49.110 --> 01:48:51.750 Suzanne Schwartz: Council members have suggested, or we picked 01:48:51.750 --> 01:48:54.120 Suzanne Schwartz: Up from discussions that you all have had. 01:48:55.110 --> 01:48:57.690 Suzanne Schwartz: The list again wasn't generated in the meeting. It came 01:48:58.170 --> 01:49:05.730 Suzanne Schwartz: up in either through the issues you generated, well some of more issue generated as a council 01:49:06.900 --> 01:49:19.230 Suzanne Schwartz: at the first meeting or that Representative Larson had suggested. And then the last one I believe was, um, one that Jim suggested adding in an email during the last 01:49:20.610 --> 01:49:21.540 Suzanne Schwartz: The in between the 01:49:21.720 --> 01:49:23.610 Suzanne Schwartz: The June 10 meeting in this meeting. 01:49:25.860 --> 01:49:32.820 Jim Thompson: And I will go ahead and fall on sword here on that D I don't have a problem with 01:49:33.270 --> 01:49:34.110 Jim Thompson: deleting the words 01:49:34.140 --> 01:49:41.160 Jim Thompson: to agricultural and natural resources. So it's sufficient time for the review of impacts if that causes a problem. 01:49:46.680 --> 01:49:52.410 Suzanne Schwartz: Impacts so you would just say you would cut the to agricultural and natural resources Jim? 01:49:52.680 --> 01:49:57.990 Jim Thompson: Yeah. To ensure the coordination allows sufficient time for the review of impacts. 01:50:02.700 --> 01:50:03.840 Kelley Holcomb: Under 4 B 01:50:05.010 --> 01:50:12.810 Kelley Holcomb: Is that second sentence there develop ways for metropolitan areas to work within multiple planning processes, is that a separate bullet? 01:50:15.450 --> 01:50:17.160 Carl Crull: And I've got a question. What does that really mean? 01:50:20.940 --> 01:50:31.590 Kelley Holcomb: The only thing I can think of is that because the big four in the state are so large and they pull water resources from multiple regions that 01:50:32.610 --> 01:50:33.060 Kelley Holcomb: They 01:50:34.740 --> 01:50:36.390 Kelley Holcomb: I don't know, were asking Temple McKinnon: I was trying to 01:50:37.230 --> 01:50:38.460 Temple McKinnon: David Wheelock had 01:50:38.460 --> 01:50:43.260 Temple McKinnon: submitted an item about metro areas that split 01:50:43.290 --> 01:50:44.640 Temple McKinnon: multiple regions. 01:50:44.700 --> 01:51:00.090 Temple McKinnon: And that individual planning groups were perhaps just planning for the smaller utilities that make up those metro areas that are only within their regions. That's what I was trying to capture his comment about that. 01:51:01.320 --> 01:51:02.460 Kevin Ward: That second sentence. 01:51:02.460 --> 01:51:02.610 Melanie Barnes: That 01:51:03.000 --> 01:51:06.630 Melanie Barnes: sentences actually that sentence is actually number C. 01:51:06.960 --> 01:51:10.680 Kevin Ward: Yeah. Temple McKinnon: Okay alrighty. Sure enough. 01:51:15.600 --> 01:51:16.080 Melanie Barnes: It is 01:51:17.700 --> 01:51:18.060 Melanie Barnes: And 01:51:19.170 --> 01:51:20.790 Melanie Barnes: wouldn't D be 01:51:21.570 --> 01:51:26.340 Melanie Barnes: better as several sentences. I'm having trouble with the wording. 01:51:35.880 --> 01:51:39.030 Melanie Barnes: Where's any water would be the beginning of another sentence. 01:51:44.730 --> 01:51:50.160 Suzanne Schwartz: Jim, do you want to address what your meaning was and maybe how that might differ from 01:51:51.000 --> 01:51:53.790 Suzanne Schwartz: Other things already up there and maybe that 01:52:01.800 --> 01:52:02.850 Jim Thompson: Were you talking to me. 01:52:03.180 --> 01:52:05.370 Suzanne Schwartz: Yeah, Jim. Are you talking about this one. 01:52:05.550 --> 01:52:07.200 Suzanne Schwartz: Is your idea Jim Thompson: Are you on D? 01:52:07.470 --> 01:52:08.850 Suzanne Schwartz: Yes, we're on D again. 01:52:09.120 --> 01:52:09.510 Jim THompson: Okay. 01:52:12.720 --> 01:52:12.930 Suzanne Schwartz: The 01:52:13.320 --> 01:52:14.340 Suzanne Schwartz: Question was, 01:52:14.550 --> 01:52:17.100 Suzanne Schwartz: Should this be broken up into several things or 01:52:18.780 --> 01:52:23.340 Jim Thompson: Are you talking about several things or several sentences or how you want to do deal with that. I mean 01:52:23.700 --> 01:52:27.450 Jim Thompson: I don't have any problem breaking it out. It looks a little rambling to me. Also, if 01:52:28.830 --> 01:52:30.510 Kevin Ward: I have a suggestion for A. 01:52:30.780 --> 01:52:36.420 Jim Thompson: If you want to add a period in and take out and and start the next sentence with the I have no problem with it. 01:52:37.110 --> 01:52:38.550 Kevin Ward: Well, I want the 01:52:39.780 --> 01:52:40.350 Kevin Ward: First 01:52:40.560 --> 01:52:42.540 Kevin Ward: Part of that sentence before the 01:52:43.710 --> 01:52:44.100 Kevin Ward: Comma and put it at the end of the sentence. 01:52:46.680 --> 01:52:47.550 Kevin Ward: Anyone is should 01:52:49.980 --> 01:52:59.250 Kevin Ward: Be identified early in the planning process and the regional planning group hopefully be promptly notified as the size, scope, and location of the project to ensure the 01:52:59.280 --> 01:53:01.590 Kevin Ward: early coordination 01:53:01.650 --> 01:53:03.180 Kevin Ward: And to allow sufficient time for the review 01:53:07.770 --> 01:53:09.990 Steve Walthour: This is, I had a comment. 01:53:11.490 --> 01:53:12.990 Steve Walthour: This is a minor comment. 01:53:15.360 --> 01:53:18.990 Steve Walthour: Can't where we say the review of can we just say reviewing 01:53:24.600 --> 01:53:27.270 Suzanne Schwartz: It. Are you on D and we talking D here. 01:53:27.330 --> 01:53:37.350 Steve Walthour: They, the same way. You know, we move from the review of, you know, we say the review of through a lot of our stuff. it's a grammar thing. Maybe I'm wrong, but 01:53:37.890 --> 01:53:40.920 Steve Walthour: If we can remove some of those words and just say reviewing 01:53:40.980 --> 01:53:45.120 Steve Walthour: Like reviewing impacts, if that's going to be part of 01:53:45.120 --> 01:53:45.570 This 01:53:46.590 --> 01:53:47.310 Suzanne Schwartz: For reviewing, okay. 01:53:48.030 --> 01:53:48.510 Steve Walthour: Yeah. 01:53:50.010 --> 01:53:54.270 Steve Walthour: Okay, I've, I've done I guess I've done my part for the day because I've been quiet, but it's just 01:53:56.040 --> 01:54:01.020 Steve Walthour: I think the only time you should use of is between states and America. 01:54:11.190 --> 01:54:11.580 Suzanne Schwartz: So, 01:54:13.380 --> 01:54:15.930 Suzanne Schwartz: Looking. I don't know if there's, um, 01:54:17.160 --> 01:54:26.100 Suzanne Schwartz: Temple. I wonder if you could get the all of these on, do a page break or something. So we get all of these on one page for everybody to look at 01:54:30.000 --> 01:54:30.600 Suzanne Scott: You maybe. Yeah. 01:54:31.260 --> 01:54:32.160 Suzanne Scott: Yeah, there you go. Perfect. 01:54:33.780 --> 01:54:42.480 Suzanne Schwartz: So again, these are, these are some possible solutions, um, does anyone have any other you would like to add? 01:54:43.170 --> 01:54:58.410 Suzanne Schwartz: And again, these are things that will go that the committee will giving input to the committee so they can kind of hear some ideas from the Council as a whole they'll I think have obviously have the option to choose from these to come up with additional ones have on their own. 01:55:01.980 --> 01:55:03.720 Suzanne Schwartz: I am not seeing any 01:55:04.800 --> 01:55:12.570 Suzanne Schwartz: Anyone who wants to add. Again, I don't think these are things you have to adopt, they're just ideas, kind of a list do you 01:55:13.980 --> 01:55:17.010 Steve Walthour: Have one other comment, since I'm on a roll right 01:55:17.070 --> 01:55:27.300 Steve Walthour: Move project in that where it's red project to in front of scope and drop the of the or the project scope and location. 01:55:33.540 --> 01:55:34.170 Suzanne Schwartz: All right. 01:55:35.220 --> 01:55:41.190 Steve Walthour: Look, you know. Thank you. I appreciate it. I'll, I'll shut up for at least another two or three minutes. 01:55:41.820 --> 01:55:43.170 Carl Crull: Were you an English major? 01:55:43.890 --> 01:55:57.030 Suzanne Schwartz: Hey Steve, I think you should. I think you should ask the committee to to make a point of looking at the of the when they're, when they're all the committee's are drafting their items to ask them to have that as one of their criteria. 01:55:58.290 --> 01:56:00.090 Suzanne Scott: I think Steve is volunteering to be our editor. 01:56:01.470 --> 01:56:02.460 Russell Schreiber: He can be our scribe. Yeah. 01:56:03.120 --> 01:56:05.580 Steve Walthour: Absolutely you do not want me as your editor. 01:56:06.210 --> 01:56:20.670 Steve Walthour: But, but it's just we're this this document is getting longer and if the longer it gets, the more we really need to pay attention to, you know, some of the sentences in this 01:56:21.750 --> 01:56:30.870 Steve Walthour: You know, if you've got a sentence that's five sentences, you know, five lines long. It's pretty long sentence for most most bears. 01:56:31.500 --> 01:56:39.540 Suzanne Schwartz: So Steve perhaps we can ask, when the committee's are doing their work that they they pare things down and make them as concise as possible. Is that what you're suggesting? 01:56:40.080 --> 01:56:48.840 Steve Walthour: No, just think that I'd like for us since all of you are more learned than I that we actually practice good grammar, which would be really kind of cool. 01:56:50.370 --> 01:56:52.290 Mark Evans: If he's not suggesting that, I will. 01:56:52.470 --> 01:56:54.600 Suzanne Scott: I think we all agree, brevity. 01:56:56.520 --> 01:56:56.730 Suzanne Scott: Yeah. 01:56:57.900 --> 01:56:59.100 Suzanne Schwartz: Okay, um, 01:57:00.180 --> 01:57:00.660 Suzanne Schwartz: I think 01:57:02.040 --> 01:57:10.680 Suzanne Schwartz: Suzanne that we're ready for break unless there's something someone wants to bring up on the topic of enhancing interregional cooperation. 01:57:13.710 --> 01:57:14.370 Suzanne Schwartz: Why don't we 01:57:14.700 --> 01:57:22.470 Suzanne Scott: We've got a good start. So when we come back, we're going to talk, we're going to work through this on the next interregional conflict. 01:57:23.190 --> 01:57:32.640 Suzanne Schwartz: Correct. So, so if you haven't already looked at it material on that. Go ahead and take a look. Or just take a break and enjoy yourself so how long 01:57:33.360 --> 01:57:39.390 Suzanne Scott: Can I just ask you one quick question, because I didn't see it on the agenda and I just wanted to make sure that while people on the break, they could start thinking about it. 01:57:39.810 --> 01:57:46.440 Suzanne Scott: Because I assume we're going to try to figure out who wants to serve on which committees before we end today because I know 01:57:47.130 --> 01:57:55.110 Suzanne Scott: As we look at the scheduled dates through that doodle poll and there was a lot of dates and maybe some of those dates could be used for committee meetings as well. 01:57:55.500 --> 01:58:02.430 Suzanne Scott: So do we think we're going to try to get committees assigned before the end of this meeting. Is that one of our outcomes. 01:58:02.640 --> 01:58:12.120 Suzanne Schwartz: That is up to you, Suzanne. We either could do it now or ask people to send their committee assignments in following the meeting and we could do that offline. What's your preference. 01:58:12.150 --> 01:58:25.740 Suzanne Scott: That's fine. I think if we would just give everyone a deadline to make sure that they could maybe prioritize. I don't know if we could do it in a some sort of a doodle poll, something that like prioritize 1, 2,3, 4 and then we'll try to see what we've got. I don't know. 01:58:26.400 --> 01:58:34.230 Suzanne Scott: You don't want it. We want to have some balance in the way that we are assigning these committees, so that we do have good regional you know interregional 01:58:34.920 --> 01:58:45.120 Suzanne Scott: Distribution, as well as good numbers in each committee and there may be some duplication, but at least we have some people in every one. So there's a process there, we could do. 01:58:45.240 --> 01:58:48.570 Suzanne Schwartz: Yeah, absolutely. We were going to discuss that on Item five 01:58:48.810 --> 01:58:54.270 Suzanne Scott: Okay, perfect. Suzanne Schwartz: If you'd like to talk about it during the break. Or we can just all talk about it during 01:58:54.270 --> 01:58:57.840 Suzanne Scott: No, five is fine. I just wanted to make sure I was understanding your process. 01:58:58.020 --> 01:59:04.530 Suzanne Schwartz: Absolutely. Thank you. So about 15 minutes. Do you want 10 or 15 minute break. 01:59:05.610 --> 01:59:06.150 Kevin Ward: 10 01:59:06.390 --> 01:59:07.170 Suzanne Scott: 10 minutes 01:59:07.380 --> 01:59:07.650 Suzaane Schwartz: All right. 01:59:08.910 --> 01:59:10.140 Temple McKinnon: 10 after three. See y'all. 01:59:10.770 --> 01:59:13.230 Kevin Ward: And I need to know what the committee are. I didn't know what the committees are. 01:59:21.120 --> 01:59:21.810 Kelley Holcomb: I am here. 01:59:25.350 --> 01:59:27.660 Kelley Holcomb: Just like TWCA. There's no such thing as a 10 minute break. 01:59:32.760 --> 01:59:33.480 Melanie Barnes: I'm back. 01:59:36.330 --> 01:59:37.380 Suzanne Schwartz: Let's see. 01:59:46.260 --> 01:59:48.570 Suzanne Schwartz: I'm not saying Jim. 01:59:49.620 --> 01:59:52.560 Suzanne Schwartz: And I don't know about Carl, Gail or Kelley. 01:59:58.080 --> 02:00:00.870 Gail Peek: Gail Peek here ready as a sign captain. 02:00:01.590 --> 02:00:02.220 Suzanne Schwartz: All right. 02:00:03.570 --> 02:00:03.960 Kelley Holcomb: I'm here. 02:00:06.540 --> 02:00:07.740 Suzanne Schwartz: Carl, are you here? 02:00:11.490 --> 02:00:11.940 Suzanne Scott: Carl. 02:00:15.270 --> 02:00:20.970 Suzanne Schwartz: I don't know. I don't see Carl, I don't see Jim, you know, this is a there's Jim. All right. 02:00:21.930 --> 02:00:24.240 Jim Thompson: I'm back. That's a short 10 minutes. 02:00:26.700 --> 02:00:27.690 Suzanne Schwartz: It is. 02:00:31.560 --> 02:00:34.620 Suzanne Schwartz: Suzanne do you want me to go ahead and start leading us through this? 02:00:34.710 --> 02:00:41.400 Suzanne Scott: I think if you see it looks like based on what I can see it looks like we've got the majority back. So I would say yes, let's get started. 02:00:41.760 --> 02:00:45.360 Suzanne Schwartz: I do. Oh, yeah. I don't know if Russell's here or not, but 02:00:47.070 --> 02:00:48.030 Suzanne Schwartz: Russell are you here. 02:00:51.660 --> 02:00:53.820 Suzanne Schwartz: They'll join us. So again, 02:00:54.870 --> 02:01:09.450 Suzanne Schwartz: We have not discussed this, you all as a Council have not discussed this at all. There have been various things that have been submitted in there. You know, we would ask for ideas at various times. As a result, we kind of did some 02:01:10.620 --> 02:01:20.760 Suzanne Schwartz: Captured some things in brainstorming about what the problem was relative to interregional conflict, again, but the this is the topic of 02:01:21.540 --> 02:01:29.160 Suzanne Schwartz: How dealing with interregional conflict. The ideas as I think the Water Development Board has explained this is once 02:01:29.580 --> 02:01:41.880 Suzanne Schwartz: something ripens into a conflict, it's it you know you've hopefully as you doing the work you did, you talked about before about enhancing interregional cooperation, you hope to avoid the conflict. But if there is a conflict. 02:01:42.300 --> 02:01:54.000 Suzanne Schwartz: the question is, how do you, how was that dealt with. And these were just some ideas about brainstorming unless you all want to spend the time discussing these 02:01:55.380 --> 02:02:05.160 Suzanne Schwartz: I would suggest we go to the draft, draft problem statement that, again, this is an in the document, y'all have the document that 02:02:05.610 --> 02:02:17.220 Suzanne Schwartz: You know, that was submitted. But Temple will actually has taken what she saw as as that what she captured is in brainstorming ideas looked at various discussions you all have had and 02:02:17.580 --> 02:02:29.250 Suzanne Schwartz: and has drafted a problem statement, what, what is the problem right now in terms of dealing with interregional conflict and what I'd suggest we do is focus on this 02:02:30.270 --> 02:02:47.070 Suzanne Schwartz: statement. We can get your reactions to the state to the statement hear what your thoughts are about the problem and then hopefully craft what a statement that the Council can agree to as is the problem that exists today, relative to dealing with interregional conflict. 02:02:48.540 --> 02:02:55.500 Suzanne Schwartz: And might, you know, you may have questions, again, this is a new topic. So, any discussion. You want to have is is entirely appropriate. 02:03:08.040 --> 02:03:08.340 Steve Walthour: Hey, no ofs 02:03:10.290 --> 02:03:11.040 Suzanne Schwartz: All right. 02:03:13.770 --> 02:03:15.780 Suzanne Schwartz: So looking at this, does this 02:03:16.230 --> 02:03:18.300 Suzanne Schwartz: capture what you all think 02:03:19.290 --> 02:03:23.580 Suzanne Schwartz: is the problem right now in terms of dealing with interregional conflict. 02:03:24.000 --> 02:03:28.620 Suzanne Schwartz: And if not, what do you think either needs to be changed or what is not captured here. 02:03:33.150 --> 02:03:37.530 Suzanne Scott: And I'm just going to make a quick comment because so far 02:03:39.720 --> 02:03:57.780 Suzanne Scott: there are some areas that have have had more significant interregional conflict. But I guess my question just is when you say clear criteria are needed to define what may constitute interregional conflict and what is the role of the planning group in resolving a 02:03:57.810 --> 02:03:59.430 Suzanne Scott: interregional conflict as 02:03:59.880 --> 02:04:02.280 Suzanne Scott: As I said, and you've reflected here. 02:04:02.580 --> 02:04:08.910 Suzanne Scott: You know, sometimes these interregional conflicts are more about implementation than they are about planning. 02:04:09.270 --> 02:04:10.740 Suzanne Scott: They're about the politics, the 02:04:10.740 --> 02:04:17.130 Suzanne Scott: Stakeholder issues all of that sort of even to permitting and and other issues that are really not 02:04:18.180 --> 02:04:19.500 Suzanne Scott: The planning group's role. 02:04:20.010 --> 02:04:20.940 Suzanne Scott: So I think 02:04:22.830 --> 02:04:31.350 Suzanne Scott: I would think that we need to make sure that we're looking at the role of the planning group and not trying to make the planning group something that it's not, would be my statement. 02:04:37.140 --> 02:04:40.860 Suzanne Schwartz: Suzanne, is that, Temple captured some additional language does it 02:04:40.980 --> 02:04:42.330 Suzanne Schwartz: reflect what you're thinking. 02:04:45.060 --> 02:04:47.070 Suzanne Scott: Yeah, I just wouldn't. I don't know if 02:04:50.160 --> 02:04:53.160 Suzanne Scott: Yes, I mean that, yes, I just don't know that we need 02:04:54.450 --> 02:04:55.920 Suzanne Scott: And what resolves an inter 02:04:56.310 --> 02:05:00.030 Suzanne Scott: Maybe what what is the role of the planning group in resolving a conflict 02:05:00.870 --> 02:05:01.290 Suzanne Scott: But 02:05:02.550 --> 02:05:05.430 Suzanne Scott: We still need and what resolves an inter 02:05:05.760 --> 02:05:09.510 Suzanne Scott: regional conflict, maybe we do or 02:05:11.220 --> 02:05:13.140 Suzanne Scott: Not sure. Somebody else would need to weigh in 02:05:13.140 --> 02:05:13.590 Suzanne Scott: on that. 02:05:14.430 --> 02:05:15.840 Steve Walthour: Can we say what is the 02:05:15.840 --> 02:05:17.190 Steve Walthour: planning groups role 02:05:18.060 --> 02:05:18.600 Steve Walthour: in resolving the conflict? 02:05:25.980 --> 02:05:27.300 Suzanne Schwartz: We snuck one in on you, Steve. 02:05:28.500 --> 02:05:28.920 Suzanne Scott: Sorry. 02:05:31.830 --> 02:05:32.280 Steve Walthour: Yeah. 02:05:33.330 --> 02:05:34.650 Steve Walthour: It's hard to change. 02:05:37.560 --> 02:05:38.070 Steve Walthour: Thanks. 02:05:41.790 --> 02:05:42.570 Suzanne Schwartz: I wonder 02:05:43.200 --> 02:05:52.080 Suzanne Schwartz: you know the first sentence already I'm just going to point out the first sentence already says that the current roles, responsibilities and timelines for identifying the conflicts may not 02:05:52.080 --> 02:05:57.330 Suzanne Schwartz: be appropriate. And then you're saying clear criteria need to define what may 02:05:57.330 --> 02:05:59.400 Suzanne Schwartz: constitute an interregional conflict. 02:05:59.760 --> 02:06:01.830 Suzanne Schwartz: What is the planning group's role of defining 02:06:02.220 --> 02:06:03.180 Suzanne Schwartz: the conflict. Is that 02:06:09.030 --> 02:06:09.630 Suzanne Schwartz: accurate? Okay. 02:06:09.690 --> 02:06:13.350 Suzanne Scott: Yes. And what, you know, what is our role in resolving that if we have one 02:06:14.070 --> 02:06:17.460 Suzanne Scott: We're saying that identifying it may not be 02:06:18.630 --> 02:06:19.590 Suzanne Scott: There may not be a good 02:06:21.120 --> 02:06:26.850 Suzanne Scott: Roles and responsibilities regarding identifying them because and then, you know, then what would be our role in 02:06:28.140 --> 02:06:32.550 Suzanne Scott: In defining and resolving the conflict. And then the word milestone 02:06:32.640 --> 02:06:35.130 Suzanne Scott: And when these milestones should 02:06:35.550 --> 02:06:36.120 Melanie Barnes: Yeah that make sense 02:06:36.300 --> 02:06:36.990 Suzanne Scott: What does that mean? 02:06:43.800 --> 02:06:44.190 Melanie Barnes: Is it 02:06:44.310 --> 02:06:45.570 Melanie Barnes: Isn't that meaning 02:06:47.880 --> 02:06:49.890 Melanie Barnes: they haven't really defined milestones, but 02:06:53.010 --> 02:06:54.330 Melanie Barnes: what are the markers and 02:06:54.330 --> 02:06:57.300 Melanie Barnes: when should it happen in the planning process because we've already said 02:06:57.360 --> 02:06:59.940 Melanie Barnes: previously that things don't happen soon enough. 02:07:01.200 --> 02:07:02.550 Suzanne Schwartz: And I know Temple 02:07:02.580 --> 02:07:05.400 Suzanne Schwartz: was the one who drafted this problem statement from 02:07:05.430 --> 02:07:12.390 Suzanne Schwartz: What she had heard. Temple McKinnon: Yeah, I agree. That's probably poor choice of words it's as Melanie was saying there's a lot of input that 02:07:12.420 --> 02:07:15.660 Temple McKinnon: Things coordinating wasn't happened early enough so it would be 02:07:16.500 --> 02:07:18.150 Temple McKinnon: When you identify it. 02:07:18.720 --> 02:07:21.510 Temple McKinnon: When you coordinate on it. And when you resolve it. 02:07:22.380 --> 02:07:23.520 Temple McKinnon: Which of those occur. 02:07:23.550 --> 02:07:25.500 Temple McKinnon: In the planning process. Melanie Barnes: Maybe, maybe it should be when 02:07:25.500 --> 02:07:29.070 Melanie Barnes: these actions occur in the planning process. 02:07:30.600 --> 02:07:30.990 Melanie Barnes: Right. 02:07:32.010 --> 02:07:32.280 Temple McKinnon: Right. 02:07:33.450 --> 02:07:34.080 Temple McKinnon: Better choice. 02:07:38.280 --> 02:07:40.080 Suzanne Schwartz: Any other reactions to this 02:07:40.080 --> 02:07:41.100 Suzanne Schwartz: problem statement. 02:07:42.060 --> 02:07:47.010 Melanie Barnes: And we're just going to say, when should these instead of when these action should 02:07:48.960 --> 02:07:52.320 Steve Walthour: Just a question. We say the current roles. 02:07:53.550 --> 02:07:54.660 Steve Walthour: Whose roles. 02:08:00.420 --> 02:08:10.950 Suzanne Schwartz: One of the things I know you all talked about in some of the comments we received included things about who should be actually resolving the conflict. So there was questiond about at what level, 02:08:11.310 --> 02:08:21.540 Suzanne Schwartz: the conflict resolution should occur. Should it be the Board should it be the Legislature should have, you know, where should it occur once once there's been declared conflict. So that was what I think that's 02:08:21.630 --> 02:08:22.950 Suzanne Schwartz: One of the questions that 02:08:23.220 --> 02:08:26.280 Suzanne Schwartz: That at least was embedded in the, your discussion so far. 02:08:26.640 --> 02:08:34.650 Melanie Barnes: Also, we were talking about, is it the liaison who brings it up. Is it the engineering firms we've hired that bring it up. Those are other 02:08:34.830 --> 02:08:51.180 Melanie Barnes: Players Suzanne Schwartz: Yeah and Melanie again, I want to remind us. We're not in the we're kind of at the stage I think in this discussion and you all may disagree, but the prior discussion was the interregional coordination. Now, the question here is, I think, if it comes with 02:08:51.780 --> 02:08:52.440 Melanie Barnes: Oh, it's just conflict. 02:08:52.860 --> 02:09:01.170 Suzanne Schwartz: Yeah, this is a conflict has ripened you know what controls the resolution of have a more formalized conflict is that 02:09:01.980 --> 02:09:05.040 Suzanne Schwartz: The agreement that what were we were talking about 02:09:05.910 --> 02:09:06.840 Melanie Barnes: Thank you. Suzanne. 02:09:06.990 --> 02:09:07.290 Suzanne Schwartz: Okay. 02:09:09.570 --> 02:09:14.520 Kelley Holcomb: I've got a problem or a question as well that could potentially be a problem. I think I saw it. 02:09:15.510 --> 02:09:33.060 Kelley Holcomb: I think it's ongoing, actually. So a conflict is identified, it hasn't been resolved, it takes time. Do we need further guidance from the Leg to allow the regional water plans to move forward in the process, while waiting for that conflict to be resolved. 02:09:34.890 --> 02:09:36.480 Kelley Holcomb: I don't even know where that would fit but 02:09:37.620 --> 02:09:40.830 Temple McKinnon: I guess Kelley, I'll just say right now our rules read that 02:09:43.170 --> 02:09:50.340 Temple McKinnon: The current process is that if a conflict is identified by our Board it's to be resolved. 02:09:51.810 --> 02:09:57.210 Temple McKinnon: With the executive administrator working with the planning groups. If it's not resolved in time 02:09:57.990 --> 02:10:14.670 Temple McKinnon: for a solution to be included and a final adopted regional water plan by the statutory deadline, then whatever the content is that is causing the conflict is to be removed and the plans are to be adopted by the statutory deadline. 02:10:14.970 --> 02:10:15.510 Temple McKinnon: So, 02:10:16.560 --> 02:10:21.930 Temple McKinnon: Some sort of plan moves forward, absent conflict content is the current process. 02:10:23.310 --> 02:10:24.690 Kelley Holcomb: That doesn't sound like it's very 02:10:26.610 --> 02:10:29.670 Kelley Holcomb: Very good solution. I guess it does solve the problem, but 02:10:31.230 --> 02:10:31.770 Temple McKinnon: I'm not saying 02:10:31.800 --> 02:10:32.760 Kelley Holcomb: It doesn't work. It doesn't 02:10:34.110 --> 02:10:34.410 Kelley Holcomb: Yeah. 02:10:37.080 --> 02:10:38.700 Kelley Holcomb: So are 02:10:39.120 --> 02:10:42.810 Suzanne Schwartz: You suggesting maybe adding something to the effect of, you know, 02:10:44.310 --> 02:10:49.380 Suzanne Schwartz: You know process for for us, you know, should be the process. 02:10:50.820 --> 02:10:51.150 Suzanne Schwartz: You know, 02:10:52.590 --> 02:10:58.350 Suzanne Schwartz: Is not you know you're. It sounds like you're maybe you're not happy with the process for how the plans move forward. 02:10:59.940 --> 02:11:04.890 Suzanne Schwartz: When there is a conflict. So would you like to include something like that in the problem statement. 02:11:06.780 --> 02:11:07.650 Suzanne Scott:: Would it be 02:11:09.300 --> 02:11:10.770 Suzanne Scott: You could say in this 02:11:10.800 --> 02:11:15.180 Suzanne Scott: Current roles, responsibilities and timelines for identifying interregional conflict 02:11:16.200 --> 02:11:21.330 Suzanne Scott: And the rules for addressing them may not be appropriate may not be appropriate. 02:11:24.600 --> 02:11:25.860 Kelley Holcomb: I think I can live with that. 02:11:31.650 --> 02:11:32.550 Russell Schreiber: Can I ask 02:11:32.970 --> 02:11:48.060 Russell Schreiber: Can I ask a question Suzanne. So the Water Development Board kind of along the same line at least thinking, I believe, is there's already rules in place for dealing with interregional conflict. So where are the shortcomings. 02:11:49.290 --> 02:12:01.110 Russell Schreiber: Where does that rule fall short. And what what are we trying to solve. As it relates, are we trying to change that rule, are we trying to repair the shortcomings to that rule. 02:12:03.810 --> 02:12:08.610 Russell Schreiber: I guess I'm unclear as to exactly how we are as a group or to 02:12:10.440 --> 02:12:13.410 Russell Schreiber: Address dealing with interregional conflicts. 02:12:13.560 --> 02:12:17.490 Suzanne Schwartz: And so I think you're going to these essence, you're saying what's broken. What is the problem. 02:12:18.090 --> 02:12:19.140 Russell Schreiber: Right, right. 02:12:19.800 --> 02:12:24.900 Suzanne Schwartz: I wonder if I know we have at least a couple people who have experience with 02:12:26.220 --> 02:12:32.940 Suzanne Schwartz: This when there has been a conflict as well as people at the Board. I wonder if anyone wants to address that. 02:12:45.900 --> 02:12:47.160 Kevin Ward: Can you restate the question. 02:12:47.370 --> 02:12:53.190 Suzanne Schwartz: Does anyone Russell asked, what exactly is the is the problem right now. What's not working. 02:12:53.460 --> 02:13:05.430 Suzanne Schwartz: About resolution of when when something has actually ripened into an interregional conflict that within the formal definition, what kind of problem exists right now, and how it's handled, is that correct Russell? 02:13:05.730 --> 02:13:13.260 Russell Schreiber: Yes problem with the current rules and the way the Water Development Board has defined how interregional conflicts are addressed and handled. 02:13:13.740 --> 02:13:21.810 Suzanne Schwartz: And Jim and Kevin. I know you both are this is near and dear to your hearts. I wonder if you want to say anything about this. 02:13:23.610 --> 02:13:24.450 Kevin Ward: Jim, want to go first or do you want me 02:13:28.530 --> 02:13:28.650 Jim Thompson: However you want to do it. 02:13:30.360 --> 02:13:33.600 Kevin Ward: Well, I mean that they is a 02:13:35.130 --> 02:13:37.800 Kevin Ward: Process, but we want the real issues. 02:13:39.810 --> 02:13:43.080 Suzanne Schwartz: Kevin, I'm having a hard time hearing you. I don't know if anyone else is 02:13:43.740 --> 02:13:50.250 Kevin Ward: Yeah, it's weird. Like ever since we came back the sounds different even Jim's not very clear right now. Can you hear me now. 02:13:50.520 --> 02:13:51.750 Suzanne Schwartz: Yes. 02:13:52.680 --> 02:13:53.100 Kevin Ward: Okay. Um 02:13:54.480 --> 02:14:09.480 Kevin Ward: You know, then the process in some respects is not as clear as to how we do it. The Board did their best to bring us together and have us start interacting and provided a mediator. 02:14:12.810 --> 02:14:22.350 Kevin Ward: You know, the, the real issue at hand is that you've got high land intensive project that's in Region D that they're not 02:14:23.430 --> 02:14:27.990 Kevin Ward: They don't really want to see there's a lot of strong group of people that don't want to see it built. 02:14:29.010 --> 02:14:34.980 Kevin Ward: And it's it there's no way in the process to weigh what effects are visa v. 02:14:36.450 --> 02:14:47.400 Kevin Ward: Is it, you know, is it appropriate to have a larger economic impact on the state and not build the project, or is it appropriate to have a large impact on this region. 02:14:48.600 --> 02:14:51.750 Kevin Ward: And lesser impact on the economy of the state. 02:14:52.800 --> 02:14:56.070 Kevin Ward: You know, there's no way to get to that with the process and 02:14:56.580 --> 02:15:03.510 Kevin Ward: You know, and that's why I said before, I'm not so sure it's a decision that needs to be made between the two regions, nor is it. I mean, if they can resolve it. Great. 02:15:03.960 --> 02:15:15.300 Kevin Ward: But you're making the assumption that there's these are minor skirmishes and conflicts that can be easily resolved if you think that was resolved between each other. The only resolution we could get to was the agree to disagree. 02:15:16.380 --> 02:15:25.380 Kevin Ward: And so the process never really comes to a conclusion, even if we kick the can down the road and just defers the ultimate real issue, which is 02:15:25.950 --> 02:15:35.850 Kevin Ward: You know, should this you know project, you know, be sent in the scrap pile and never built be built ever no how, no way, and it doesn't really matter how much it costs. 02:15:36.750 --> 02:15:42.660 Kevin Ward: The region that needs the project to build it. What really matters is the region that it's in 02:15:43.320 --> 02:15:51.390 Kevin Ward: Has some economic or environmental impacts that they don't like and they feel that those should be held up and above and be 02:15:51.870 --> 02:15:58.710 Kevin Ward: Any of the, the total impacts on the state of Texas, and I don't know the right answer to it. I just know that 02:15:59.190 --> 02:16:03.480 Kevin Ward: You know, like they said to us, many times you know they're not making land anymore, you know, 02:16:04.230 --> 02:16:11.100 Kevin Ward: But they're not making water anymore either. So I mean, someone's got to come to a resolution, and I don't think there's a way for it to be quickly uploaded. 02:16:11.400 --> 02:16:17.520 Kevin Ward: So let's just say first year. This next planning process. We're still we're at where we're at, which is an impasse. 02:16:18.000 --> 02:16:25.590 Kevin Ward: And whichever way this comes out this time, whether it's in the water plan or out of the water plan, or whatever the two parties, at least one of the parties is not happy. 02:16:26.310 --> 02:16:45.900 Kevin Ward: So what is it that that elevates this issue to a higher group to be decided that towards some finality to it, because it takes 20 years to develop these projects. So I guess maybe it's the wrong process is the better way to say it. I don't know. Jim, your thoughts. 02:16:46.290 --> 02:16:56.520 Jim Thompson: Yeah, I mean we've gone through this for several cycles. I mean, whether it was officially. I'm like Kevin, whether it was officially declared a conflict or not. 02:16:57.210 --> 02:17:05.850 Jim Thompson: For a lay person, it's a conflict and it's been a conflict for 20 something years and likely to be a conflict for quite a few more years. 02:17:06.390 --> 02:17:18.840 Jim Thompson: And we've actually gone through a couple of different methods for trying to resolve the conflict. The first time we had, I guess an official meeting with respect to it. We had a 02:17:19.440 --> 02:17:39.990 Jim Thompson: Mediation and it was closed off to the public and we had representatives from Region C and representatives from Region D and we met together and whether it was luck, the process of the format or just different circumstances at that time we were able to come out 02:17:41.190 --> 02:17:52.110 Jim Thompson: with a resolute at least a temporary resolution at that time, that neither side was very happy with but we resolved it for purposes of moving on with the with the water plans. 02:17:53.610 --> 02:18:01.830 Jim Thompson: The second time the rules had change with respect to it and we had public meetings, attended by hundreds of people and 02:18:03.600 --> 02:18:06.180 Jim Thompson: A lot of public comment and 02:18:08.160 --> 02:18:18.210 Jim Thompson: To make a long story short, like I said, whether it's because the parties had changed their position or the facts had changed or whatever reason you want to use. We got nowhere with the second process so 02:18:18.840 --> 02:18:32.070 Jim Thompson: Based on those two things I would be more in favor of a private mediation, as opposed to public hearings where you get all of the emotions and flames. That's my personal opinion Kevin may disagree. 02:18:32.700 --> 02:18:40.350 Jim Thompson: But those are the rules were currently operating under presently. The only other thing I would say with respect to 02:18:41.670 --> 02:18:52.770 Jim Thompson: Interregional conflict and what constitutes an interregional conflict and what steps you have to go through to show you got an interregional contract and going through a, b, c, and d 02:18:53.490 --> 02:19:03.450 Jim Thompson: I really think it's unfair to require the volunteer members of the regional water planning groups to go through their plan, which is all 02:19:04.020 --> 02:19:10.530 Jim Thompson: Most people are concerned about when they're doing the regional water planning process to go through their plans. 02:19:10.800 --> 02:19:18.150 Jim Thompson: Go through all of the other regional water plans and see if hey there's something in this regional water plan we consider a conflict. 02:19:18.480 --> 02:19:26.850 Jim Thompson: And have a meeting with respect to that and say, yes, we find an interregional conflict and send it to the Water Development Board for them to pass on. 02:19:27.270 --> 02:19:33.720 Jim Thompson: I think the professionals at the Water Development Board should make that decision. They have more access to 02:19:34.320 --> 02:19:45.090 Jim Thompson: More and quicker access to the regional water plans and they can make a decision whether there's a conflict or not. And like Kevin said although it may not be officially a conflict. 02:19:45.810 --> 02:19:55.590 Jim Thompson: This time, because we did not meet because of COVID-19 for several, several months. So there wasn't any needing to say there was an interregional conflict. 02:19:55.950 --> 02:20:07.170 Jim Thompson: There is a conflict, whether anybody acknowledges it or not. There still is one. So those are my only comments. And like I said, I do agree with Kevin on 02:20:08.070 --> 02:20:24.000 Jim Thompson: You know, whether you're kicking it down the road or resolving it or maybe it gets resolved at this stage or that stage or whatever. There are fundamental differences with respect to a particular project that's not going to be easy to resolve so 02:20:25.650 --> 02:20:36.780 Jim Thompson: You're going to have differing views on it with respect to A this is the cheapest form of water supply that this region can get versus B 02:20:37.230 --> 02:20:51.180 Jim Thompson: This is the most detrimental possible project that they could have with respect to going forward to resolve those issues. So I don't know that it's easily resolved, it certainly hasn't been resolved yet. But that's my my viewpoint on 02:20:51.960 --> 02:20:59.430 Suzanne Scott: So do y'all think, Jim and Kevin, based on the experiences that y'all have gone through does this problem statement here sort of in 02:21:00.870 --> 02:21:01.710 Suzanne Scott: Capture 02:21:02.100 --> 02:21:15.090 Suzanne Scott: The problem in words that are more generic and not associated specifically with your issue. But does this capture the problem that needs to be that needs to ultimately be addressed. 02:21:16.470 --> 02:21:29.610 Jim Thompson: I mean, to a certain extent, certainly does like youo say it's generic but the rules for addressing them and rules for determining what constitutes an interregional conflict I think those things do need to be discussed. 02:21:31.230 --> 02:21:34.410 Kevin Ward: I'm good with the problem statement. I think it encompasses 02:21:35.520 --> 02:21:48.540 Kevin Ward: enough for us to, to, you know, provide some comment because we're gonna have to look at this carefully and like Jim said he's not so sure and I'm not either that it's really the planning groups responsibility to 02:21:50.010 --> 02:22:01.020 Kevin Ward: Define exactly why there's a conflict or to try to attempt to resolve the conflict when going into it within 10 minutes we can tell you that it's not going to happen. 02:22:02.100 --> 02:22:08.910 Suzanne Scott: Right. Kevin Ward: I mean you know that you're talking about too big. I mean, when you talk about 78 thousand acres 02:22:10.560 --> 02:22:12.960 Kevin Ward: A lot of leases for 02:22:14.190 --> 02:22:21.450 Kevin Ward: Super culture and then that versus is water supply for 5 million people. 02:22:22.770 --> 02:22:27.120 Kevin Ward: In a growing economy that's basically 25% of the state's economy. 02:22:28.230 --> 02:22:35.280 Kevin Ward: at odds with one another to send us, us, I mean it's beyond my pay grade let's put it that way. 02:22:37.200 --> 02:22:42.150 Kevin Ward: It's one of those things were, at some point, it's got to be elevated to a higher level of tribunal for them to make 02:22:42.960 --> 02:22:51.090 Kevin Ward: The resolution to see that there was lawsuits between because of two regions disagreeing. I mean, that just doesn't really 02:22:52.020 --> 02:23:04.170 Kevin Ward: Make a whole lot of sense when you're talking about state resources overall. And I guess the best way to say it is how do we tear the wall down between regions and got an artificial barrier between two 02:23:04.170 --> 02:23:04.650 KEvin Ward: Regions. 02:23:05.040 --> 02:23:05.550 Kevin Ward: You're dealing 02:23:05.580 --> 02:23:09.570 Kevin Ward: With projects common to both regions, how do you tear that wall down. 02:23:10.740 --> 02:23:12.660 Kevin Ward: And let the issues that are really at hand 02:23:12.840 --> 02:23:22.110 Kevin Ward: come to the forefront and be decided at some level for the future of the state and what's best for those resources and 02:23:23.940 --> 02:23:24.390 Kevin Ward: And all 02:23:25.470 --> 02:23:27.630 Kevin Ward: For us, there's never going to be an agreement between regions. 02:23:30.150 --> 02:23:30.510 Suzanne Scott: So, 02:23:30.540 --> 02:23:31.890 Suzanne Scott: This problem statement 02:23:32.070 --> 02:23:40.050 Suzanne Scott: addresses the problem that I think a lot of what you just said about the in the best interest of the state and that sort of thing, which I think are good words. 02:23:40.440 --> 02:23:41.580 Suzanne Scott: may go into 02:23:41.850 --> 02:23:42.840 Suzanne Scott: the goal, you know, 02:23:42.870 --> 02:23:58.020 Suzanne Scott: kind of like, you know, maybe that there would be a process that looked at the best interest of the state or something like that. But if this is, I agree that those are very important words but if this reflects the problem 02:24:00.510 --> 02:24:01.260 Suzanne Scott: Then we could 02:24:03.570 --> 02:24:15.540 Kevin Ward: Just so you know, Suzanne and for the rest of everyone's benefit here. There's never been a disagreement by Region D and C that the water itself was needed to be put put to work. 02:24:16.350 --> 02:24:27.690 Kevin Ward: It was really the manner in which the water would be developed and and making sure that the region of origin's interest or met out into the future. 02:24:28.230 --> 02:24:38.880 Kevin Ward: With regard to that vital resource and it's just we haven't come up with a good way to capture and conserve it. All the old ways of doing it, or ones that create the conflict. 02:24:40.860 --> 02:24:41.550 Kevin Ward: Ain't that right, Jim? 02:24:43.440 --> 02:24:45.630 Jim Thompson: In general, I'd say yes. 02:24:47.460 --> 02:24:47.790 Suzanne Schwartz: Well, 02:24:49.350 --> 02:24:55.440 Suzanne Schwartz: I wonder if it's if no one else has anything they want to add, I wonder if there's some motion on this. 02:24:57.480 --> 02:24:59.220 Kevin Ward: I'll move that we accept the language. Jim Thompson: I'll second. 02:25:04.320 --> 02:25:06.720 Suzanne Scott: That's good. That's cooperation right there. 02:25:10.740 --> 02:25:12.210 Jim Thompson: Kevin and I can probaly resolve, but we've got other factors involved. 02:25:14.340 --> 02:25:19.260 Suzanne Scott: Okay. Any other questions. I mean any other discussion on this problem statement. 02:25:23.100 --> 02:25:23.790 Suzanne Scott: All right. 02:25:24.810 --> 02:25:25.380 Suzanne Scott: So, 02:25:26.430 --> 02:25:27.060 Suzanne Scott: Anybody 02:25:28.260 --> 02:25:35.400 Suzanne Scott: Opposed to this problem statement, raise your hand or make yourself be known if you have a problem with this statement. 02:25:37.680 --> 02:25:38.490 Suzanne Schwartz: I see no one 02:25:40.080 --> 02:25:40.320 Suzanne Scott: Great. 02:25:41.820 --> 02:25:45.000 Kelley Holcomb: Ms. Scott, I have to leave the meeting. I've got other engagements. 02:25:45.960 --> 02:25:48.120 Suzanne Schwartz: Bye Kelley. Suzanne Scott: Thank you, Kelley. We'll talk later. 02:25:48.870 --> 02:25:50.490 Kelley Holcomb: Y'all have a good day. Thank you. Suzanne Schwartz: You too. 02:25:52.860 --> 02:25:59.100 Suzanne Schwartz: I think we're ready to move on to kind of a goal statement. These are just some things that 02:26:00.060 --> 02:26:17.610 Suzanne Schwartz: were captured relative to brainstorming about what what goal, you're looking at, again, these were generated from prior meetings prior submittles via email there in the documents that is under the agenda material. I want to, I think, 02:26:18.840 --> 02:26:23.670 Suzanne Schwartz: Maybe going to the goal statement is probably appropriate. So this is something, again, 02:26:24.810 --> 02:26:38.820 Suzanne Schwartz: Looking at what you all have said in the past, Temple drafted this, I turned over the hard work on this one to her to draft the the interregional conflict problem statement and goal statement so 02:26:40.380 --> 02:26:44.400 Suzanne Schwartz: Take a look at this and let's have a discussion on 02:26:58.530 --> 02:27:02.340 Suzanne Scott: Does that when you say will can 02:27:03.570 --> 02:27:10.290 Suzanne Scott: The earlier in the process part. I mean I earlier when Melanie brought that up, we said that that really went with the 02:27:13.920 --> 02:27:15.030 Suzanne Scott: prior statement. 02:27:15.270 --> 02:27:17.010 Melanie Barnes: No no no. 02:27:20.790 --> 02:27:23.520 Melanie Barnes: I think I was more talking about how the 02:27:24.810 --> 02:27:26.280 Melanie Barnes: liaisons are used. 02:27:26.730 --> 02:27:28.500 Suzanne Scott: Oh ok ok ok ok 02:27:28.560 --> 02:27:29.280 Melanie Barnes: Where's this 02:27:29.310 --> 02:27:33.060 Melanie Barnes: This really is addressing try, I mean both need 02:27:34.920 --> 02:27:37.320 Melanie Barnes: I think both things need to be earlier in the process. Yeah. 02:28:01.170 --> 02:28:03.690 Suzanne Scott: Do we have any concerns or comments. 02:28:07.170 --> 02:28:12.060 Suzanne Schwartz: Does this address the problems that you identified earlier, is there any 02:28:13.830 --> 02:28:14.460 Patrick Brzozowski: Is there a motion made? 02:28:15.810 --> 02:28:16.380 Suzanne Schwartz: Not yeah 02:28:18.180 --> 02:28:21.030 Suzanne Schwartz: Oh well, Kevin. Kevin was that a motion you made? 02:28:21.960 --> 02:28:22.740 Kevin Ward: Yeah I said I moved for approval. 02:28:23.040 --> 02:28:23.790 Suzanne Schwartz: Oh, gosh. 02:28:24.780 --> 02:28:25.140 Gail Peek: This is Gail Peek 02:28:27.120 --> 02:28:29.040 Gail Peek: I;m carrying on the idea of 02:28:29.130 --> 02:28:35.160 Gail Peek: Let's attack the of's. So does have in the first slide make any difference if you take it up. 02:28:40.590 --> 02:28:43.590 Gail Peek: I mean, what do we think, can we do that in a more active voice. 02:28:51.120 --> 02:28:52.950 Russell Schreiber: Say early in the plan development. 02:28:54.750 --> 02:28:55.620 Gail Peek: Yeah, I don't 02:28:56.640 --> 02:29:02.970 Gail Peek: Not sure I got a little confused with the of and I hate that, because as a lawyer I always use of 02:29:05.370 --> 02:29:07.050 Suzanne Schwartz: Then just to address. We've got 02:29:08.310 --> 02:29:09.810 Suzanne Schwartz: to address. 02:29:12.210 --> 02:29:12.720 Suzanne Schwartz: Or would it 02:29:13.590 --> 02:29:16.440 Russell Schreiber: Sound like down to the second to the last sentence as well. 02:29:18.000 --> 02:29:18.480 Gail Peek: Mm hmm. 02:29:19.680 --> 02:29:23.100 Gail Peek: Yeah, we do. It's like a virus. We're continuing the of attack. 02:29:43.440 --> 02:29:44.220 Russell Schreiber: You happy, Steve. 02:29:48.390 --> 02:29:49.200 Steve Walthour: Yes, I am. 02:29:49.320 --> 02:29:51.720 Steve Walthour: I am glad that I didn't have to mention it. 02:29:53.400 --> 02:29:54.000 Russell Schreiber: Okay, good. 02:29:54.540 --> 02:29:59.610 Steve Walthour: But when we run across that that place between states in America, go right ahead and use it. 02:30:03.120 --> 02:30:05.760 Suzanne Schwartz: Does anyone have, Kevin had made a motion. 02:30:06.540 --> 02:30:07.260 Steve Walthour: I Second it. 02:30:09.360 --> 02:30:12.030 Suzanne Scott: Was that Steve. Okay. 02:30:12.720 --> 02:30:20.400 Suzanne Scott: Alright, so we have a motion and a second. Do we have any other discussion on this goal statement regarding conflict. 02:30:24.090 --> 02:30:24.540 Suzanne Scott: Okay. 02:30:27.450 --> 02:30:30.870 Suzanne Scott: If you are opposed to this statement, please raise your hand. 02:30:34.710 --> 02:30:35.790 Suzanne Schwartz: I see no one 02:30:40.980 --> 02:30:43.080 Suzanne Scott: Okay, looks like we have a statement goal statement. 02:30:46.830 --> 02:30:57.330 Suzanne Schwartz: Then moving on we would again look at criteria for evaluating and again it's just a brainstorm list that committee would further read or a list 02:30:57.660 --> 02:31:11.730 Suzanne Schwartz: Actually, at this point, you're probably possibly more than brainstorming. But the question of what what criteria does this Council feel should be forwarded to the committee for evaluating potential solutions. 02:31:16.080 --> 02:31:19.470 Suzanne Schwartz: And these were again via email ideas that 02:31:20.610 --> 02:31:24.480 Suzanne Schwartz: Were extracted via email or prior meeting minutes. 02:31:43.380 --> 02:31:46.710 Suzanne Schwartz: Are there any of these that should be eliminated. 02:31:53.100 --> 02:32:06.540 Suzanne Scott: Is the first bullet conservation water usage is that part of equity and addressing concerns for all water supply needs? Is that captured in that or is that a separate item? 02:32:12.930 --> 02:32:15.510 Carl Crull: I think that last bullet is trying to 02:32:17.070 --> 02:32:18.570 Carl Crull: Talk about protecting 02:32:20.100 --> 02:32:23.820 Carl Crull: More rural areas and natural resource needs, then 02:32:27.240 --> 02:32:29.550 Carl Crull: How many people projects serves. 02:32:31.290 --> 02:32:35.850 Melanie Barnes: And and it looks like the first one is trying to address if something 02:32:37.320 --> 02:32:43.440 Melanie Barnes: Certain part of the project goes more towards conservation does that get a higher rating or in a project that 02:32:44.580 --> 02:32:48.810 Melanie Barnes: interregional project that isn't addressing any conservation does that get 02:32:48.870 --> 02:32:50.160 Melanie Barnes: tossed back to the group's. 02:32:52.500 --> 02:32:53.940 Carl Crull: TO me that first bullet says, that first bullet says 02:32:55.050 --> 02:32:56.070 Carl Crull: You know your 02:33:03.720 --> 02:33:06.060 Carl Crull: Either maybe he 02:33:07.440 --> 02:33:10.110 Carl Crull: Needs to be some balancing there of 02:33:13.890 --> 02:33:15.330 Carl Crull: Then determining the outcome you know. 02:33:30.930 --> 02:33:42.360 Suzanne Scott: The other thing that that Kevin mentioned in this is time and money aren't addressed here that impact on 02:33:43.770 --> 02:33:48.930 Suzanne Scott: The implementation time. I mean, they were saying it was 20 years or more, and the cost 02:33:50.670 --> 02:33:57.510 Kevin Ward: So impacts, project implementation or not implementing you're implementing or not implementing a 02:33:58.680 --> 02:33:59.160 Kevin Ward: impacts. 02:34:01.620 --> 02:34:02.010 Kevin Ward: Oh,implementing or not implementing 02:34:07.440 --> 02:34:09.960 Suzanne Schwartz: So your criteria would be that it should 02:34:10.320 --> 02:34:12.390 Suzanne Schwartz: Consider the impacts of implementing or not implementing. 02:34:12.720 --> 02:34:16.230 Kevin Ward: Yeah, which is kind of what we do in the world. 02:34:17.880 --> 02:34:29.670 Russell Schreiber: And I think along those lines. I think Kevin and it could probably be maybe it doesn't need to be specified here. But you have to the impacts of the of the region. 02:34:30.870 --> 02:34:32.400 Russell Schreiber: Of origin of the project. Kevin Ward: That's right. 02:34:39.570 --> 02:34:40.800 Russell Schreiber: uh oh, there's an of in there. 02:34:41.670 --> 02:34:44.250 Gail Peek: Yep. Russell Schreiber: What do we want to say about that. 02:34:46.380 --> 02:34:47.820 Gail Peek: We need our leader. 02:34:48.270 --> 02:34:54.120 Steve Walthour: I kind of think it was neat the way you kind of bracketed that with of on both sides now. 02:34:56.280 --> 02:34:57.480 Steve Walthour: It's kind of a nice 02:34:58.260 --> 02:34:58.710 Steve Walthour: Okay. 02:34:59.310 --> 02:35:01.080 Russell Schreiber: Were you are you in English major prior. 02:35:01.200 --> 02:35:09.930 Steve Walthour: Oh, absolutely not. I did horrible in English. I just got beat into me after I started working people who didn't. What 02:35:11.070 --> 02:35:13.770 Steve Walthour: Okay impacts to the region of origin. 02:35:14.850 --> 02:35:19.890 Steve Walthour: And implementing of implementing or not implementing a project. 02:35:21.750 --> 02:35:25.770 Suzanne Scott: I would think you would want to, I think you would need to look at both 02:35:26.880 --> 02:35:33.480 Suzanne Scott: The receiving receiving region and the region of origin because you're both looking at both right. You need, 02:35:33.750 --> 02:35:35.220 Kevin Ward: Agreed. Russell Schreiber: Agreed. 02:35:35.520 --> 02:35:37.440 Suzanne Scott: Impacts on both sides of the equation. 02:35:37.560 --> 02:35:41.490 Melanie Barnes: So, so it's impacts of the regions involved to the region's involved. 02:35:42.990 --> 02:35:45.840 Kevin Ward: And you say, or receiving region. Suzanne Scott: Yes. 02:35:47.220 --> 02:35:47.940 Suzanne Schwartz: Not origin. 02:35:49.170 --> 02:35:50.070 Kevin Ward: Receiving region 02:35:51.240 --> 02:35:51.900 Suzanne Scott: Region of origin and 02:35:52.200 --> 02:35:54.240 Kevin Ward: No no impact in the region or origion 02:35:55.470 --> 02:35:57.180 Kevin Ward: And region, either way. 02:35:57.240 --> 02:36:00.120 Kevin Ward: You can do you mean receiving region. 02:36:03.720 --> 02:36:05.040 Steve Walthour: Would it be proposed 02:36:05.190 --> 02:36:06.570 Steve Walthour: projects impacts. 02:36:08.070 --> 02:36:08.670 Kevin Ward: You 02:36:08.790 --> 02:36:09.540 Kevin Ward: Use the word 02:36:09.600 --> 02:36:13.050 Kevin Ward: Of after region, you could just say impacts to the 02:36:14.370 --> 02:36:15.750 Steve Walthour: Project impacts to the 02:36:15.750 --> 02:36:15.960 Kevin Ward: The 02:36:16.890 --> 02:36:17.880 Melanie Barnes: To the region's involved. 02:36:18.300 --> 02:36:19.110 Steve Walthour: To 02:36:19.500 --> 02:36:20.400 Steve Walthour: To both regions. 02:36:21.420 --> 02:36:22.860 Melanie Barnes: To the region's involved. 02:36:23.580 --> 02:36:25.680 Kevin Ward: Yeah. Steve Walthour: Look at that. 02:36:26.700 --> 02:36:27.360 Steve Walthour: Wait a minute. 02:36:28.590 --> 02:36:30.030 Steve Walthour: You just take the rest of it out. 02:36:30.090 --> 02:36:34.020 Kevin Ward: Instead of for just say instead of have used the word for 02:36:35.910 --> 02:36:37.440 Steve Walthour: I think you just take the whole thing out. 02:36:37.740 --> 02:36:38.970 Melanie Barnes: Just take the rest out. 02:36:39.540 --> 02:36:39.960 Steve Walthour: Yeah. 02:36:41.010 --> 02:36:42.630 Steve Walthour: Although 02:36:44.040 --> 02:36:47.430 Carl Crull: Proposed impacts cover not implementing a project. 02:36:47.670 --> 02:36:52.320 Kevin Ward: This is criteria and I wanted to be more specific and just say implementing or not implementing it's really 02:36:53.040 --> 02:36:57.870 Melanie Barnes: For implementing or not implementing yeah Steve Walthour: okay Melanie Barnes: or 02:37:02.910 --> 02:37:03.450 Russell Schreiber: You can even 02:37:04.500 --> 02:37:04.980 Gail Peek: Okay, one question 02:37:05.760 --> 02:37:15.180 Melanie Barnes: For for for proposed project impacts to the region's involved upon implementation or non implementation of the project. 02:37:18.240 --> 02:37:19.710 Melanie Barnes: Sorry There's an of in there but that's the best I could do. 02:37:19.860 --> 02:37:20.760 Suzanne Schwartz: That's because could 02:37:21.810 --> 02:37:23.400 Suzanne Schwartz: Say upon 02:37:25.680 --> 02:37:28.170 Russell Schreiber: And even below that you can put sub bullets in 02:37:28.470 --> 02:37:32.790 Russell Schreiber: Like Kevin was talking about and Suzanne about financial impacts. 02:37:35.010 --> 02:37:36.210 Russell Schreiber: Impacts of the growth of the 02:37:36.210 --> 02:37:39.420 Russell Schreiber: region's water demands that type of thing. 02:37:40.980 --> 02:37:42.720 Suzanne Scott: There's a long list of those impacts. 02:37:42.930 --> 02:37:43.890 Russell Schreiber: Oh, absolutely. 02:37:43.980 --> 02:37:49.380 Suzanne Schwartz: One and maybe I wonder if at this point it will does this 02:37:51.330 --> 02:37:53.610 Suzanne Schwartz: Guidance for the committee to flesh out 02:37:54.000 --> 02:37:55.050 Suzanne Scott: Yes, I would agree. 02:37:55.860 --> 02:38:05.370 Gail Peek: I think with that second bullet item. Are we in a position where larger districts or larger communities will always win out over smaller 02:38:05.370 --> 02:38:10.320 Gail Peek: Ones. That's one of the things that all of us confront in the regions. 02:38:14.070 --> 02:38:16.440 Gail Peek: smaller communities feeling that they're left out. 02:38:19.560 --> 02:38:20.310 Suzanne Schwartz: Gail are you saying does this 02:38:21.060 --> 02:38:22.380 Gail Peek: The second bullet item. 02:38:22.710 --> 02:38:25.470 Gail Peek: Which says, hey, when we look at the number of people. 02:38:26.670 --> 02:38:33.810 Gail Peek: impacted does that lean toward larger communities. It's always winning out over smaller one. 02:38:35.820 --> 02:38:37.170 Melanie Barnes: That's what it's asking right 02:38:43.290 --> 02:38:46.920 Gail Peek: This bullet item 2 seems to me to suggest 02:38:48.150 --> 02:38:49.170 Gail Peek: Others may have different perspectives. 02:38:49.590 --> 02:38:49.950 Gail Peek: But 02:38:51.120 --> 02:38:51.330 Gail Peek: Yeah. 02:38:51.360 --> 02:38:57.270 Gail Peek: That a larger community a Dallas will always win out over Bartlett, for example. 02:38:59.190 --> 02:39:03.060 Suzanne Schwartz: I think that there's some language that just got added to that does that take 02:39:04.230 --> 02:39:05.850 Suzanne Schwartz: Into account that concern. 02:39:06.810 --> 02:39:09.420 Gail Peek: adversely impacted. I think it's, we're not losing out 02:39:10.680 --> 02:39:13.320 Suzanne Schwartz: Not being adversely impacted. Gail Peek: Yeah. 02:39:16.530 --> 02:39:23.550 Kevin Ward: Is it that or is it being left behind. I mean, which way you want to do. You want to make sure you've got a bigger project provide that future water supply some 02:39:23.550 --> 02:39:33.210 Melanie Barnes: Is it, is it a question as to whether those things should be considered or not. And the reason is because smaller communities are left out. 02:39:34.710 --> 02:39:39.240 Gail Peek: I would hope that's the case, but that is bullet item is piece of artwork. 02:39:40.440 --> 02:39:48.360 Suzanne Schwartz: Well, I wonder if if having the these are in some ways questions rather than criteria, I would point out, I wonder if you want to 02:39:50.190 --> 02:39:53.100 Suzanne Schwartz: as a group address them as criteria, rather than questions. 02:39:53.820 --> 02:39:55.590 Kevin Ward: Yeah, that's a should and 02:39:56.970 --> 02:39:59.160 Melanie Barnes: The first two are listed as questions. 02:40:05.610 --> 02:40:09.720 Melanie Barnes: I think those two questions. The first two bullts are asking 02:40:16.200 --> 02:40:21.330 Melanie Barnes: Asking which factors and what weight they would have 02:40:21.420 --> 02:40:23.040 Melanie Barnes: When considering a conflict. 02:40:27.180 --> 02:40:31.800 Melanie Barnes: Because one is talking about conservation one's talking about water usage rates. 02:40:33.240 --> 02:40:38.100 Melanie Barnes: And then you're talking about population or first come first serve. 02:40:40.140 --> 02:40:43.650 Melanie Barnes: Isn't that kind of listing the types of factors that would be 02:40:46.080 --> 02:40:47.970 Melanie Barnes: Used in 02:40:50.250 --> 02:40:54.600 Melanie Barnes: How do you, how do you weight the factors that are involved. 02:40:55.290 --> 02:41:01.740 Gail Peek: Then, wouldn't that be the question. And so you can almost blend one and two and say, 02:41:04.020 --> 02:41:05.820 Gail Peek: Consideration considering 02:41:07.500 --> 02:41:13.260 Gail Peek: The weight to be attributed to issues such as conservation. Not unlike the 02:41:14.100 --> 02:41:24.090 Gail Peek: laundry list that's coming up in the fourth bullet item financial growth demand, you can make it water usage water usage rates. 02:41:25.200 --> 02:41:31.350 Gail Peek: Size of project size of community, those kinds of things. So I think you can actually blend one and two. 02:41:31.620 --> 02:41:33.210 Melanie Barnes: So actually the criteria 02:41:33.900 --> 02:41:47.010 Melanie Barnes: Is, is how do you assign weighting to the factors for a particular interregional project because I would assume it would change per project. 02:41:47.730 --> 02:41:48.690 Gail Peek: I agree with that. 02:41:49.920 --> 02:41:56.640 Kevin Ward: Now in the water basin transfer of water it's required that you do it to the highest practicable. 02:41:58.800 --> 02:42:02.280 Gail Peek: Okay. Kevin, you're, you're coming in a little muffled 02:42:03.420 --> 02:42:04.140 Gail Peek: As I'm listening to you. 02:42:04.650 --> 02:42:10.020 Kevin Ward: Sorry about that. So in the inter basin transfer provisions in Chapter 11 of the water code. 02:42:11.670 --> 02:42:13.950 Kevin Ward: Says that you're doing inter basin transfer the folks that are wanting the 02:42:16.020 --> 02:42:16.650 Kevin Ward: water have to have 02:42:17.970 --> 02:42:24.090 Kevin Ward: implemented water conservation measures in a practical way. 02:42:26.490 --> 02:42:32.520 Kevin Ward: I don't know what the weight of the factors is. But if it's an inter basin transfer will be that. Now, not all these are inter basin transfers ideas I guess. 02:42:34.530 --> 02:42:44.820 Kevin Ward: So you still gotta consider the weight but i don't i don't know that how you get to the weighting the factors. So that's probably a good one. What the criteria will do. 02:42:46.410 --> 02:42:51.090 Kevin Ward: So you just get rid of the word and then get rid of everything after rates, you're done. Right. 02:42:53.040 --> 02:42:53.820 Kevin Ward: Conservation water 02:42:55.650 --> 02:42:56.760 Suzanne Scott: Say it, again, Kevin. 02:42:57.240 --> 02:43:01.980 Kevin Ward: Consider the weight of the factor of I would say, consider the weight given to factors 02:43:03.420 --> 02:43:07.710 Kevin Ward: Such as conservation and water usage rates. That's it. 02:43:14.310 --> 02:43:18.870 Gail Peek: I would say you could blend the second one first come first serve would be another 02:43:19.950 --> 02:43:21.210 Gail Peek: Area and 02:43:23.400 --> 02:43:25.410 Gail Peek: Population impact. 02:43:26.490 --> 02:43:28.980 Gail Peek: And then you'd have one bullet item instead of two 02:43:31.590 --> 02:43:32.100 KEvin Ward: Yeah. Melanie Barnes: Yeah. 02:43:32.820 --> 02:43:33.540 Suzanne Scott: That looks good. 02:43:35.250 --> 02:43:37.230 Russell Schreiber: Hey Temple. Let me ask you a quick question. 02:43:40.140 --> 02:43:40.440 Temple McKinnon: Sure. 02:43:40.530 --> 02:43:41.400 Russell Schreiber: If it's 02:43:41.640 --> 02:43:44.250 Russell Schreiber: The current rules under the Water Development Board say that 02:43:46.050 --> 02:43:53.550 Russell Schreiber: The regional water planning group should negotiate in accordance with Texas Water code 16.05.3H6 02:43:55.170 --> 02:43:58.650 Russell Schreiber: Rather than me trying to look that up real quick. You don't happen to know what that is do you? 02:43:59.430 --> 02:44:01.260 Temple McKinnon: Hey, I'm sorry. Russell. Can you say that again. 02:44:02.220 --> 02:44:10.050 Russell Schreiber: The current Water Development rules say the regional water planning group should negotiate under current water code. 02:44:11.400 --> 02:44:17.580 Russell Schreiber: 16.053H6. You don't happen to know what what's in that code do you off the top of your head. 02:44:18.210 --> 02:44:19.170 Temple McKinnon: Do you see 02:44:19.260 --> 02:44:21.360 Temple McKinnon: Negotiate interregional conflict under that 02:44:24.150 --> 02:44:25.860 Temple McKinnon: Nope, but I'll look it up real quick. 02:44:26.340 --> 02:44:28.680 Russell Schreiber: I can look it up, I just thought maybe you might know. 02:44:32.640 --> 02:44:34.680 Temple McKinnon: No, I don't. Sorry off top my head. 02:44:35.490 --> 02:44:44.100 Russell Schreiber: Well, I'm just wondering if we're if we're regenerating this list that's already in water code under 16053. Kevin, you don't happen to know do you? 02:44:45.360 --> 02:44:51.210 Kevin Ward: You know the negotiations on there, it's pretty clear that you're supposed to start off by 02:44:52.590 --> 02:45:08.160 Kevin Ward: Trying to resolve the conflict by, you know, meeting early and things like that. That's kind of lays it all out and the Board supposed to try to facilitate, you know, there's just, it's just basically the old let's get them together and see if we can't work this thing out. 02:45:10.440 --> 02:45:23.280 Kevin Ward: So I don't think there's as much like here we're talking about, well, since we can't work it out, you know, for the if you want to determine how to deal with an interregional conflict should we consider giving weight to the factors like conservation, water use 02:45:23.280 --> 02:45:25.980 Matt Nelson: Yeah, he doesn't have all that stuff in it. 02:45:26.490 --> 02:45:27.660 Kevin Ward: Yeah, it doesn't have any of that stuff in it. 02:45:28.320 --> 02:45:33.840 Russell Schreiber: Okay, okay, not trying to reinvent the wheel if it's already invented. 02:45:34.380 --> 02:45:36.840 Kevin Ward: Now it's more of a general guidance for how to 02:45:38.190 --> 02:45:41.640 Kevin Ward: Identify what you've got to do by when and how 02:45:43.410 --> 02:45:45.420 Russell Schreiber: Okay. Sorry. I didn't mean to get everybody off track here. 02:45:45.510 --> 02:45:47.220 Kevin Ward: Board and holding public hearings, things like that. 02:45:49.590 --> 02:45:52.800 Matt Nelson: It's always good. It's always good not to reinvent the wheel. Yeah. 02:45:55.980 --> 02:45:56.940 Kevin Ward: I really think we're going to be 02:45:58.410 --> 02:46:07.440 Kevin Ward: hard pressed to really think of a comprehensive set of criteria for how to resolve the interregional conflict because there could be so many different ways like 02:46:08.220 --> 02:46:17.070 Kevin Ward: For instance, you know, San Antonio wants to import water from a brackish aquifer and treat it, and then store it under the ground in San Antonio. 02:46:17.940 --> 02:46:29.580 Kevin Ward: But the land owners out there don't want to do it. And so that regions has declared now a conflict because they think it's going to be potential anyway to cause problems with the regular aquifer 02:46:30.750 --> 02:46:31.230 Kevin Ward: And yet. 02:46:32.580 --> 02:46:39.240 Kevin Ward: When we look at it from a scientific perspective, we may determine that it's not going to have that effect, but they still don't like the project. 02:46:39.810 --> 02:46:47.820 Kevin Ward: So how do you resolve that conflict if you got a powerful group out there that continues to say it and take it to court, everything else. I just don't know. 02:46:48.750 --> 02:46:57.480 Kevin Ward: San Antonio is already doing a maximum amount of conservation and their water usage rates will be impacted really adversely if they got to go to the next. 02:46:58.560 --> 02:47:09.000 Kevin Ward: Project on the list, which is all the way down to Corpus Christi for seawater desalination. I mean that's that's the kind of things that I just don't think we can really 02:47:12.120 --> 02:47:21.900 Steve Walthour: What Kevin has said, I agree. I think that if you've got a group in any of these region that doesn't want something to happen. They can use 02:47:22.410 --> 02:47:34.140 Steve Walthour: They'll use just about anything to keep that project from happening. So we go to Corpus to build a brackish water there and then Corpus fights it. Or somebody in Corpus decides they don't like it. 02:47:36.810 --> 02:47:40.260 Steve Walthour: I think that's probably one of the reasons that this group was formed. How do you deal 02:47:41.940 --> 02:47:48.300 Melanie Barnes: Yeah, I mean, maybe we will in our committees and then back in the whole group. 02:47:49.590 --> 02:47:56.850 Melanie Barnes: Realize that one of our recommendations is some legislation needs to be crafted when it's gone through a certain amount of 02:47:57.750 --> 02:48:10.920 Melanie Barnes: Interaction between the regions and then it really is a big wall that's being built to stop it. And yet the science says it's most reasonable to go this way, then maybe there needs to be legislation that the State just steps and says nope we're doing it. 02:48:13.650 --> 02:48:15.720 Melanie Barnes: I don't think anybody in Texas would like that, but 02:48:20.670 --> 02:48:23.010 Russell Schreiber: Yeah, unfortunately, maybe what has to happen though. 02:48:23.760 --> 02:48:29.040 Steve Walthour: I think there's about 140 reasons that that type of legislation would potentially fail. 02:48:30.870 --> 02:48:35.550 Steve Walthour: I think that's what my lobbyists told me is the number of ways you can kill legislation so 02:48:37.800 --> 02:48:38.220 Melanie Barnes: Yeah. 02:48:39.210 --> 02:48:51.390 Suzanne Scott: Well, and I also think this this will be determine, you know what really falls within the planning process and what falls outside of the planning process because, again, if this is you know stakeholder committees are 02:48:52.860 --> 02:48:58.080 Suzanne Scott: You know, fighting about whether the project should move forward or not. I'm not. You know, not real sure 02:48:58.440 --> 02:49:17.520 Suzanne Scott: The role that a planning group has in that. I mean, if we're if we're trying to identify. I mean, the conflict that I think we would that we would deal with is, if two regions have identified the same water to meet different needs. 02:49:19.140 --> 02:49:29.760 Suzanne Scott: Right, that's where we would I mean that that's where the interregional conflict that we would be dealing with it wouldn't necessarily be if a stakeholder group has raised an issue. 02:49:30.420 --> 02:49:45.480 Suzanne Scott: It's if to if two regions are are fighting over the same water to meet a different demand then someone's got to figure out how to, where that water goes to meet the need that that's in the plans. Right. 02:49:45.540 --> 02:49:52.740 Melanie Barnes: So this, this makes me think of a project I was involved in a long time ago where I had to look at 02:49:53.550 --> 02:50:11.790 Melanie Barnes: All the possible water projects on the Forest Service. And then one of the things I had the list was of course the cost, all the different governing agencies that were involved or private agencies on that particular water and then prioritize 02:50:14.250 --> 02:50:24.210 Melanie Barnes: The projects with that. And whenever you have more than two other people involved. It was like became a very low priority project. It was not at the top of the list, it was going to be too difficult to work out. 02:50:24.840 --> 02:50:34.440 Melanie Barnes: So maybe what part of our goal in this is to work out that criteria, you're looking at. And when you have 02:50:34.800 --> 02:50:43.200 Melanie Barnes: Seven of these criteria. This has become a very difficult problem and is going to end up somewhere else. But if it's three of these criteria, this can be worked out. 02:50:43.920 --> 02:50:53.070 Melanie Barnes: type thing. Maybe we we can lend some guidance in that direction or some level of if then 02:50:54.030 --> 02:51:09.180 Melanie Barnes: Type of process that would help work through an interregional conflict to either decide. Yeah, we can work this out and make this make this go or we have reached so many impasses that risk really as at a different level. 02:51:10.770 --> 02:51:11.130 Kevin Ward: So, 02:51:12.240 --> 02:51:14.910 Kevin Ward: I'm going to throw something out with kind of along those lines. 02:51:16.350 --> 02:51:24.540 Kevin Ward: On the criteria, you know, we're talking about dealing with interregional conflicts, it's criteria for doing it. What is was missing 02:51:25.770 --> 02:51:47.040 Kevin Ward: From the processes that we've gone over for the last almost 30 years now for region C/D has been for there to be an agreement of the two regions on the front end of it as to how they're going to look at impacts of the project and what the benefits are from both sides. 02:51:48.510 --> 02:51:53.310 Kevin Ward: So once it. In other words, what is being done by Region C it's challenged by Region D. 02:51:54.390 --> 02:51:57.570 Kevin Ward: And when Region D presented its concerns. 02:51:57.630 --> 02:52:03.510 Kevin Ward: That went to court, they had an economic report that showed a devastating effect on the silver culture industry. 02:52:03.990 --> 02:52:16.410 Kevin Ward: And Region C didn't have a corresponding reportn to take that had been in the water. Water plan to go to court with so the it was an easy decision for a judge to say, well, it's right here. You know these guys have this and you guys got nothing. 02:52:17.760 --> 02:52:30.570 Kevin Ward: So, and that's over simplifying the how it worked, but they've got if we would have required the region's on the front end, once they realized there was a conflict to say, okay, we are going to sit down and work together. 02:52:31.230 --> 02:52:35.160 Kevin Ward: And here's how it's going to be done. So unfortunately, 02:52:36.060 --> 02:52:45.060 Kevin Ward: Region C always felt that by working with the Sulphur Basin Authority, which is a normal way of doing a planning process, having an organization within the region that you're working with. 02:52:45.720 --> 02:52:54.120 Kevin Ward: And all the studies done through that would be acceptable to Region D. But Region D planning group did not 02:52:55.110 --> 02:53:02.700 Kevin Ward: Agree that was not representative of what the concerns might be from the region itself. So 3-4 million dollars later 02:53:03.210 --> 02:53:10.680 Kevin Ward: Get all this information that's gone to the Corps of Engineers, all these things have happened. But there's no agreement from Region D that any of that information has been validated. 02:53:11.730 --> 02:53:16.140 Kevin Ward: Yet Region C believed it's, like I said a minute ago, good science and it's valid. 02:53:17.580 --> 02:53:26.370 Kevin Ward: So, and then an economic report was done, but there's no there's no guarantee that Region D is gonna agree with the economic report what the impacts are. 02:53:26.790 --> 02:53:43.380 Kevin Ward: What I'm saying is if we the criteria should be to develop a process by which both regions enter into a binding process for coming to an agreement of what the benefits and the costs and the impacts are of the projects. 02:53:44.670 --> 02:53:46.560 Kevin Ward: And then they have to go through that process. 02:53:47.550 --> 02:53:49.680 Russell Schreiber: And some type of an MOU. 02:53:50.190 --> 02:53:51.060 Kevin Ward: Have to represent 02:53:51.330 --> 02:54:04.170 Kevin Ward: interests have a stake in it can't just be us part timers that are like for me to be in it. Why should I be in it. I mean I operate the Trinity River Authority. I don't have a dog in the fight. I don't have any water coming from this. 02:54:06.960 --> 02:54:11.850 Suzanne Scott: So Kevin, is that criteria? Or is that really what that fall into the solutions? 02:54:13.200 --> 02:54:14.880 Suzanne Scott: That you're saying that there should be an 02:54:15.180 --> 02:54:16.020 Suzanne Scott: Agreement. 02:54:16.530 --> 02:54:23.970 Kevin Ward: You're saying you know this this whole dealing with interregional conflict criteria, to me, is kind of nebulous. I'm not exactly sure what it really means. 02:54:25.890 --> 02:54:36.210 Russell Schreiber: I tend to agree with Kevin, Larson's letter says review and make recommendations regarding any identified interregional conflicts. I'm not sure I understand exactly what that means. 02:54:37.770 --> 02:54:42.000 Russell Schreiber: Is it is it what we're doing here today, or just something else. 02:54:44.640 --> 02:54:48.270 Kevin Ward: I mean, you would think that for $3 or $4 million worth of work should be used for something 02:54:49.170 --> 02:55:00.840 Kevin Ward: And even better. And then if it's unfair for it to be completely directed by one group, even though they thought the governing body of that group that was within the region could 02:55:01.410 --> 02:55:06.750 Kevin Ward: fairly represent the interests, because there are a regional authority, then something's got to happen. 02:55:07.590 --> 02:55:14.520 Kevin Ward: I mean, what a authority does the regional group have in the first place? Does Region D have the authority to dictate which product which which 02:55:15.240 --> 02:55:27.420 Kevin Ward: Districts are going to represent are going to build a project and we're going to project so identified and well we don't think or Texas or to do this too much politics involved. Let's give it up for Trinity. I mean, we don't have that authority. 02:55:28.710 --> 02:55:42.990 Kevin Ward: But yet, if they did a planning project brought forward to the region we incorporate whereas Suplphur Basin River Authority they take Region D to try to incorporate and Region D said we don't care that doesn't mean anything to us we don't agree with it. 02:55:44.010 --> 02:55:48.570 Kevin Ward: I just, I don't know. I mean, it's this something has to, you know, 02:55:50.430 --> 02:56:01.260 Kevin Ward: There's gotta be some method in which the regions will be comfortable with what works being done when millions of dollars are being spent to evaluate water resources and strategies. 02:56:02.880 --> 02:56:07.260 Russell Schreiber: But doesn't it go back, Kevin, to the sponsoring agency for that project. 02:56:08.400 --> 02:56:10.530 Russell Schreiber: I mean, I understand, like, 02:56:10.710 --> 02:56:11.280 Kevin Ward: There's five of them.There's five. 02:56:11.310 --> 02:56:16.200 Russell Schreiber: Yeah, that's what I was gonna say, I understand in the Metroplex it's a lot bigger. 02:56:18.990 --> 02:56:24.510 Russell Schreiber: A bigger a lot bigger than anything that we've ever seen in Region B. I understand that. So, 02:56:25.710 --> 02:56:35.040 Russell Schreiber: But at some point, there's somebody that sponsors Marvin Nichols and is that is that TRWD or that's five agencies that sponsor that? Do they 02:56:36.300 --> 02:56:52.980 Russell Schreiber: Do they need to to enter into a memorandum of understanding prior to the project being added to the plan with the counter groups, if you will, in Region D. The silverfish group you just mentioned the who 02:56:53.340 --> 02:56:59.370 Kevin Ward: The countering groups are individual landowners and private companies. There's a 02:57:00.540 --> 02:57:12.180 Kevin Ward: disctrict or a water user group or any of that you could being opposing you know water resource agency. There's nothing 02:57:12.990 --> 02:57:21.030 Jim Thompson: The only thing I would say with respect to that has not exactly my understanding of it. And since I live in Region D, I think I know. 02:57:21.450 --> 02:57:34.110 Jim Thompson: There are numerous environmental groups, timber groups, timber industry, every timber industry in northeast Texas and Southwest Arkansas is opposed to it. In addition to the landowners. 02:57:34.830 --> 02:57:48.300 Jim Thompson: The Forest Service has come out with reports he spoke about spending a lot of money. And I'm not going to get down into the weeds too far here, but I will just have to say that it's a lot more than individual land owners that are opposed to this project. 02:57:50.910 --> 02:58:01.530 Kevin Ward: It does break tradition with water planning is the water plan has always just been folks that have the authority to build and construct projects and and in this case it's not it's not what you're running into 02:58:02.970 --> 02:58:12.360 Kevin Ward: As far as how we jointly planning because we were jointly planning with a group out there and now we're finding out that wasn't good enough and never will be good enough and 02:58:12.930 --> 02:58:14.460 Kevin Ward: And I just don't know how to proceed on that. 02:58:15.150 --> 02:58:35.730 Suzanne Schwartz: So, so am I hearing that maybe one you'd like to see a criteria that it identify that your solution identifies appropriate part appropriate entities that that should be involved in the conflict resolution. Is that what would that addition of a criteria kind of summarize this discussion? 02:58:36.210 --> 02:58:37.140 Kevin Ward: Yeah I think so 02:58:37.590 --> 02:58:37.980 Suzanne Scott: Think so. 02:58:42.840 --> 02:58:43.440 Suzanne Schwartz: So I 02:58:44.550 --> 02:58:45.180 Suzanne Schwartz: Um, 02:58:45.630 --> 02:58:49.110 Temple McKinnon: Can you restate that real quick appropriate entities involved in 02:58:49.500 --> 02:58:52.680 Suzanne Schwartz: In resolution of the conflict or identifying 02:58:54.870 --> 02:58:56.130 Kevin Ward: Identifying and resolving 02:58:57.810 --> 02:58:58.200 Suzanne Schwartz: Yeah. 02:58:59.310 --> 02:59:01.170 Suzanne Schwartz: And identifying and resolving the conflict 02:59:03.390 --> 02:59:03.960 Suzanne Schwartz: Rather 02:59:04.290 --> 02:59:09.030 Kevin Ward: Whoever's typing this loves that with those shuns and of. 02:59:09.600 --> 02:59:11.250 Suzanne Schwartz: We won't say who's typing them. 02:59:17.340 --> 02:59:19.380 Suzanne Schwartz: Identifying and resolving 02:59:19.410 --> 02:59:20.700 Temple McKinnon: Got it. 02:59:24.300 --> 02:59:25.140 Suzanne Schwartz: So that would just be 02:59:27.480 --> 02:59:34.860 Suzanne Schwartz: One of the criteria that you consider that when you're when you're seeing if you've got when you're looking at your solutions. 02:59:37.200 --> 02:59:49.320 Suzanne Schwartz: I wonder if it, if there are any other other criteria, you'd like to add or y'all read, and if not, we'll move on to seeing what solutions you all might want to offer up. 02:59:49.710 --> 02:59:50.490 Jim Thompson: The only thing 02:59:50.640 --> 03:00:07.530 Jim Thompson: The only thing is not adding anything is this reviewing what's already been put in there is on the item where it says proposed project impacts to the region involved for implementing or not implementing a project and then it goes and list financial growth, demands and so forth. 03:00:08.970 --> 03:00:18.120 Jim Thompson: I think we're getting back to the point with what points are important. Are we going to put agricultural and natural resources or do we need to put anything in there after a project. 03:00:21.690 --> 03:00:25.290 Suzanne Scott: Yeah, I think you're right. Let's leave it generic. Kevin Ward: Yeah. Good point. 03:00:27.120 --> 03:00:35.520 Suzanne Scott: Okay, so can do we think we have enough here for the committee to work with so that we can move on to the solutions. 03:00:35.910 --> 03:00:37.830 Jim Thompson: Looks to me like you have more than enough. 03:00:37.920 --> 03:00:38.160 Suzanne Scott: Okay. 03:00:39.390 --> 03:00:47.610 Suzanne Scott: Let's move on then, do we need to address take an action on those or is it. I think we did previously on the others didn't we 03:00:49.020 --> 03:00:50.400 Suzanne Schwartz: Honestly, I don't remember. 03:00:50.730 --> 03:00:51.870 Kevin Ward: Yea, we did we did 03:00:52.020 --> 03:00:52.320 Suzanne Scott: We did. 03:00:52.920 --> 03:00:54.870 Temple McKinnon: Flexibility for the committee to add 03:00:55.080 --> 03:00:55.620 Suzanne Schwartz: Like so. 03:00:55.650 --> 03:01:01.920 Suzanne Scott: Let's take. Can I have a motion that this is criteria to for the committee to ponder. But they have some flexibility. 03:01:02.520 --> 03:01:04.950 Steve Walthour: So moved. Suzanne Scott: Okay, can I have a second 03:01:05.460 --> 03:01:05.970 Melanie Barnes: Second 03:01:06.630 --> 03:01:10.770 Suzanne Scott: All right, all those. Any more discussion. I'm sorry. Any more discussion. 03:01:11.940 --> 03:01:15.990 Suzanne Scott: Hearing none, if anyone is opposed, please raise your hand. 03:01:19.470 --> 03:01:20.160 Suzanne Scott: Okay, great. 03:01:20.220 --> 03:01:23.370 Suzanne Scott: Let's move on to the solutions. 03:01:26.550 --> 03:01:27.930 Suzanne Scott: We've got more agenda items. 03:01:29.760 --> 03:01:43.650 Suzanne Schwartz: Yeah, and I would propose that we put us Suzanne that we end this discussion about 4:30 so we can move toward discussion wrap up and discuss the next meeting. And the final items that that we have to deal with. 03:01:44.940 --> 03:01:45.570 Suzanne Scott: Absolutely. 03:01:48.690 --> 03:01:50.880 Suzanne Scott: So y'all can read through these real quick. 03:01:52.410 --> 03:02:07.320 Suzanne Schwartz: And again remember these are just brainstormed ideas, you know, if you think anything needs to be added. These are things that the committee can take and start looking at but they're not bound to to use or 03:02:08.370 --> 03:02:10.680 Suzanne Schwartz: Not use, totally up to them. 03:02:23.670 --> 03:02:30.630 Suzanne Schwartz: And again, the first three of those were from I believe from your 03:02:32.010 --> 03:02:34.890 Suzanne Schwartz: For the first one was from Representative Larson. The others 03:02:38.430 --> 03:02:42.750 Suzanne Schwartz: Came from meetings that that you know earlier meetings where 03:02:44.040 --> 03:02:51.090 Suzanne Schwartz: These may have been brought up and the rest came from things that that we looked at, and saw in either 03:02:52.590 --> 03:02:54.990 Suzanne Schwartz: Email or information or 03:02:56.100 --> 03:02:57.630 Suzanne Schwartz: Some of the notes from the meetings. 03:03:03.240 --> 03:03:10.620 Suzanne Schwartz: Anyone want to add any other ideas, solutions, you would have for dealing with interregional conflict. 03:03:20.160 --> 03:03:30.600 Suzanne Scott: I would think that that that agreement, one that Kevin added on the the criteria above may want to be discussed as part of a solution. 03:03:31.500 --> 03:03:44.280 Suzanne Scott: Just as that last agreement from the regions involved it. That seems to me, is more of a solution than a criteria, but because you already added the appropriate entities are have been identified. 03:03:45.450 --> 03:03:50.460 Suzanne Scott: this would be maybe a solution. I don't know. I'm guessing. 03:04:00.360 --> 03:04:01.410 Suzanne Scott: And how that 03:04:01.470 --> 03:04:03.060 Suzanne Scott: And how those would be funded. 03:04:04.110 --> 03:04:10.080 Suzanne Scott: You know agreement from the regions on what they would look at or what they would study and how that would be funded. 03:04:12.960 --> 03:04:15.090 Suzanne Schwartz: Kevin. You okay with moving that down here. 03:04:17.070 --> 03:04:18.930 Suzanne Schwartz: Or do we keep it in both places. 03:04:24.390 --> 03:04:25.410 Temple McKinnon: I just copied it 03:04:26.400 --> 03:04:29.820 Temple McKinnon: Sinca y'all made a motion on that one. So it's in both and maybe the committee can 03:04:31.260 --> 03:04:33.780 Suzanne Scott: That's what I would suggest I think it should be potentially in both 03:04:33.990 --> 03:04:34.350 Suzanne Schwartz: Okay. 03:04:35.520 --> 03:04:37.170 Patrick Brzozowski: Kevin's talking but he's muted. 03:04:39.630 --> 03:04:44.430 Kevin Ward: Sorry about that. So the one above that. What was the category for number three. 03:04:45.840 --> 03:04:47.820 Kevin Ward: This is called solutions. What was the category for three. 03:04:48.540 --> 03:05:01.680 Suzanne Scott: Criteria Suzanne Schwartz: How you're going to evaluate them, you know, what are you going to, how are you going to look at the solutions and pick them what you think are the best ones. What what what what criteria do they meet to 03:05:02.880 --> 03:05:06.060 Suzanne Schwartz: For the committee to select them, you know, what are you looking at 03:05:10.380 --> 03:05:14.370 Kevin Ward: Okay. Wasn't sure what that section was anyway, we're here it belongs on the solutions for sure. So 03:05:15.240 --> 03:05:17.250 Suzanne Schwartz: Believe we'll have it in both places then. Kevin Ward: Okay 03:05:18.720 --> 03:05:19.800 Suzanne Schwartz: Any others to add 03:05:26.250 --> 03:05:28.470 Suzanne Schwartz: I'm not seeing, hearing any 03:05:31.440 --> 03:05:37.770 Suzanne Scott: And I think in the previous ones we didn't necessarily vote on the solutions. They were just guidance to the committee, is that correct 03:05:38.190 --> 03:05:39.990 Suzanne Schwartz: That's, that's what I remember. Yes. 03:05:40.590 --> 03:05:40.890 Carl Crull: Yeah. 03:05:42.060 --> 03:05:42.480 Suzanne Schwartz: Okay. 03:05:43.590 --> 03:05:56.130 Suzanne Schwartz: With that, I think we're through this and ready to have the discussion we've got about 15 more minutes. If you want to start talking about the best practices for future planning. 03:05:57.450 --> 03:05:57.960 Suzanne Schwartz: We 03:05:59.400 --> 03:06:03.270 Suzanne Schwartz: did not come up with any kind of problem statement on this and 03:06:04.320 --> 03:06:13.140 Suzanne Schwartz: I actually would raise the question to you to say, is there a problem statement, even for this or is there simply a goal you want to, to try to achieve. 03:06:15.330 --> 03:06:20.520 Suzanne Schwartz: This was kind of a catch all that it was the water code itself talked about the Council. 03:06:22.020 --> 03:06:29.550 Suzanne Schwartz: Addressing you know best practices for future planning. So that was in the statute. And that's why it is a topic. 03:06:34.890 --> 03:06:36.480 Steve Walthour: Isn't that for the solution. 03:06:40.680 --> 03:06:43.110 Suzanne Schwartz: I don't understand, Steve. 03:06:43.680 --> 03:06:45.990 Steve Walthour: We have a list of solutions. 03:06:46.470 --> 03:06:53.250 Suzanne Schwartz: Right Steve Walthour: Isn't that what what's going to be like the conclusion of walking through all this is those best practices. 03:06:53.610 --> 03:07:00.270 Suzanne Schwartz: Oh using the all of the all of the work of the other on the other three topics will result in best practices. 03:07:01.470 --> 03:07:07.350 Melanie Barnes: I think Larson asked us to address this separately. I'm not quite sure why. 03:07:09.540 --> 03:07:10.830 Melanie Barnes: Or is it in the statute. 03:07:10.890 --> 03:07:16.410 Suzanne Schwartz: It's in the, here let me get the statutory language and statute says that 03:07:19.680 --> 03:07:29.670 Suzanne Schwartz: The statute has three charges to the Council, one is the improving coordination among regional water planning groups and between planning groups and the Board. 03:07:30.210 --> 03:07:47.100 Suzanne Schwartz: To meet the goals of state water resource planning process, two is to is to facilitate dialogue about water management strategies that affect multiple regions and then three is to share best practices regarding operation of the regional water playing process. 03:07:49.680 --> 03:07:51.690 Melanie Barnes: Oh the operation of water planning. Okay. 03:07:52.650 --> 03:07:53.010 Suzanne Schwartz: So, 03:07:54.090 --> 03:07:57.240 Suzanne Schwartz: I mean you all can certainly decide if you want that the 03:07:58.410 --> 03:08:03.840 Suzanne Schwartz: The work you do on the other three topics, you know, we could in certainly 03:08:07.380 --> 03:08:07.980 Melanie Barnes: I think didn't this have to do 03:08:08.010 --> 03:08:10.620 Kevin Ward: once we do those we cherry pick out of that 03:08:10.620 --> 03:08:13.710 Kevin Ward: You gotta plug it into the regional planning process. 03:08:14.700 --> 03:08:19.170 Suzanne Schwartz: or might there be some other things you would want to modify it. Are there things outside of the 03:08:19.500 --> 03:08:27.270 Suzanne Schwartz: Scope of those other legislative mandates that might be worth considering to improve the process. 03:08:27.600 --> 03:08:38.190 Melanie Barnes: Wasn't this more like things that some regions may be doing and other regions aren't doing that might actually help their process better. And because we don't talk to each other, we don't know. 03:08:38.550 --> 03:08:41.970 Melanie Barnes: Yet, there might be a better way to do something for example Region O 03:08:42.240 --> 03:08:54.360 Melanie Barnes: got an idea from Region A as to how to kind of get all the counties involved and fund what we're doing and kind of get better participation and and it has improved this planning session. 03:08:55.860 --> 03:08:57.240 Suzanne Scott: I think that Melanie's right it's more about 03:08:57.390 --> 03:09:08.520 Suzanne Scott: learning from each other. And how's the best way to do that, and how can we bring that forward, how can there be a mechanism by which those are shared on a regular basis. 03:09:10.410 --> 03:09:10.830 Suzanne Scott: I agree with that. 03:09:11.820 --> 03:09:13.110 Steve Walthour: Can we survey 03:09:13.770 --> 03:09:15.870 Melanie Barnes: So that's the problem. We do stuff that 03:09:16.290 --> 03:09:17.670 Melanie Barnes: we don't know what others do. 03:09:19.980 --> 03:09:20.130 Melanie Barnes: I don't know how to word it 03:09:21.420 --> 03:09:37.680 Steve Walthour: I realized that most of the people on this are probably chairman of the regional water planning process. But how about us doing a survey to see what they would share with us that they really like about what these each regions do in the water planning process. 03:09:39.360 --> 03:09:43.380 Suzanne Scott: Yeah, I think some of that was done because we know we had that chairs. We have a chairs group. 03:09:43.410 --> 03:09:51.360 Suzanne Scott: that meets frequently that I think that is the mechanism by which we try to share that 03:09:52.890 --> 03:09:57.270 Suzanne Scott: That the, I think the problem is in some of those is that we know 03:09:58.950 --> 03:10:07.890 Suzanne Scott: The chairs sometimes because we come together and we have so much to cover, we really don't have the opportunity, maybe to really brainstorm. 03:10:08.340 --> 03:10:21.930 Suzanne Scott: The best practices. So maybe kind of in a year that you're not working on a plan, you know n other words after the plans done as you're getting ready for the next cycle there needs to be some opportunity to say, Okay, you know what did y'all learn 03:10:21.960 --> 03:10:31.740 Suzanne Scott: Or maybe some stuff from that chapter eight in the in the plan, you know, there's some opportunities for us to all learn from each other. 03:10:32.220 --> 03:10:41.010 Suzanne Scott: But not during the planning year not during when you're crunching the when you're trying to get it done because everyone's too focused on what they have in front of them to think about 03:10:42.930 --> 03:10:43.830 Suzanne Scott: Lessons learned 03:10:45.630 --> 03:10:48.990 Melanie Barnes: So that's the problem. So maybe the goal is that we 03:10:49.620 --> 03:10:50.340 Melanie Barnes: Develop 03:10:53.190 --> 03:10:56.820 Melanie Barnes: A mechanism or timing for the sharing to happen. 03:10:57.960 --> 03:10:58.860 Suzanne Scott: Or maybe 03:10:58.890 --> 03:11:00.780 Melanie Barnes: That would be our goal. 03:11:01.800 --> 03:11:04.830 Suzanne Scott: Yeah. Or the goal is that there's that that we 03:11:04.860 --> 03:11:07.230 Melanie Barnes: There is a mechanism to share 03:11:07.710 --> 03:11:13.320 Suzanne Scott: There is a mechanism that that best practices are are shared amongst 03:11:14.580 --> 03:11:15.480 Suzanne Scott: Regional Planning. 03:11:16.980 --> 03:11:18.540 Suzanne Scott: Groups to 03:11:19.020 --> 03:11:25.560 Melanie Barnes: Sounds like with the chairs meeting. We actually have a place to do that. And it's just a matter of constructing it so that that's 03:11:25.650 --> 03:11:27.000 Melanie Barnes: Part of what they get to do 03:11:27.150 --> 03:11:34.350 Suzanne Scott: Yeah, you really you just needs to be kind of planned in that way. I mean, I think that's a good venue, it's just 03:11:36.030 --> 03:11:38.610 Suzanne Scott: Sometimes we just haven't been able to focus as much on that. 03:11:40.230 --> 03:11:52.650 Suzanne Scott: We did a survey, didn't we Temple a few years ago, because I remember we came together. We all talked about it. We had a big ole page and we all gave ideas, but we really didn't do much with it after we do because we got right back into planning. 03:11:52.740 --> 03:12:08.940 Temple McKinnon: Well we we based our rule revisions and we reference what the work product y'all put together for our guidance updates and rule revisions. But, and then part two is developing a Best Practices Guide that's on our been on our website. It 03:12:09.060 --> 03:12:10.230 Temple McKinnon: Started off geared towards 03:12:10.830 --> 03:12:19.050 Temple McKinnon: The political subdivisions of the administrative agencies and their contract practices and but there's, there is a section on planning group, but it could certainly 03:12:20.370 --> 03:12:22.770 Temple McKinnon: Improve or be more robust 03:12:22.800 --> 03:12:25.080 Kevin Ward: So Temple was that done what after the legislation passed 03:12:27.450 --> 03:12:31.620 Temple McKinnon: It was done, y'all had a we hosted a work session in 03:12:32.850 --> 03:12:34.290 Temple McKinnon: 2017 03:12:35.970 --> 03:12:36.390 Temple McKinnon: Let me think. 03:12:37.230 --> 03:12:52.770 Temple McKinnon: I think one in 2016 and one in 2017 maybe we were one of the first one was just to look at your bylaws and see that was the best practices matrix of how folks were doing things what their requirements were on membership and such things. 03:12:54.750 --> 03:12:56.670 Kevin Ward: I was just hoping that we were already done with this. 03:12:58.020 --> 03:13:05.580 Temple McKinnon: Well, I think I put it on your website. I put links to those work sessions, if I remember correctly, if I didn't. I will 03:13:07.500 --> 03:13:14.340 Temple McKinnon: Go back and do that. But there's, there should be links to videos of those work sessions under your resources for the Planning Council. 03:13:14.760 --> 03:13:21.540 Temple McKinnon: And then the following year we had another work session with all the chairs and that was to get input on how best to go about 03:13:21.870 --> 03:13:30.750 Temple McKinnon: Doing simplified planning and implementing some other legislative changes that were directly geared towards planning groups, but we have not done that in a couple of years. 03:13:31.140 --> 03:13:36.090 Suzanne Scott: But I think the process here is that I mean those things were good now. Maybe we just need to formalize 03:13:36.570 --> 03:13:38.280 Suzanne Scott: The process so that future 03:13:39.960 --> 03:13:50.550 Suzanne Scott: Future planning groups will have a mechanism to continue to coordinate on best practices. I don't think that that that we haven't been doing it. I think we just need to make sure that it continues. 03:13:51.720 --> 03:13:52.110 Suzanne Scott: So, 03:13:56.190 --> 03:14:03.780 Temple McKinnon: Okay, so should I take all this stuff out of the problem statement and put it into the goal or solutions. Is that what I'm hearing, folks. 03:14:05.280 --> 03:14:05.820 Temple McKinnon: Say, 03:14:09.930 --> 03:14:19.560 Melanie Barnes: Well, the problem is something was started, and not formalized okay maybe that other stuff really is the the goals for the solutions. 03:14:24.120 --> 03:14:29.910 Melanie Barnes: It sounds like something exists, but it wasn't formalized and and it's it's sitting out there. 03:14:31.710 --> 03:14:32.880 Melanie Barnes: Waiting for attention. 03:14:33.750 --> 03:14:35.430 Melanie Barnes: If I understand correctly. 03:14:37.770 --> 03:14:39.210 Vicki Read: Suzanne you need to unmute 03:14:42.390 --> 03:14:46.200 Kevin Ward: Those first three bullets are still long. They were the brainstorming part 03:14:48.780 --> 03:14:57.660 Suzanne Schwartz: Okay, yeah. So those. So I'm hearing you basically saying, the problem isn't is that there's not a formalized process. Is that accurate Temple just 03:14:58.470 --> 03:15:13.380 Suzanne Schwartz: And then the goal being to the goal would be to that there is a mechanism for to share best practices more formalized mechanism, perhaps, given what you said is in the problem. 03:15:15.090 --> 03:15:15.330 Suzanne Scott: I think so, 03:15:17.040 --> 03:15:17.550 Matt Nelson: As a document. 03:15:17.610 --> 03:15:22.110 Matt Nelson: To as a way of doc of listing things that are people are doing. 03:15:22.500 --> 03:15:24.330 Kevin Ward: But they use it as 03:15:24.360 --> 03:15:26.160 Kevin Ward: Part of their five year rule uodate is wha I'm hearing. 03:15:27.480 --> 03:15:27.750 Suzanne Schwartz: And 03:15:28.020 --> 03:15:37.020 Kevin Ward: Do something with it. It's just so but the process itself to memorialize into a process instead of just doing it as a chairs thing. 03:15:38.310 --> 03:15:40.320 Kevin Ward: Is the recommendation Melanie Barnes: more formal 03:15:41.370 --> 03:15:48.750 Suzanne Schwartz: Temple you asked if those bullets under brainstorming and problem should be. I think they should be solutions they seem to be 03:15:49.860 --> 03:15:55.860 Suzanne Schwartz: Well, what you're doing now might be a might be a problem. But I think the first ones. 03:15:57.270 --> 03:16:03.240 Suzanne Schwartz: May be the first three could be solution brainstorm solutions, possibly 03:16:04.500 --> 03:16:04.770 Melanie Barnes: What 03:16:07.920 --> 03:16:09.120 Melanie Barnes: They're kind of a mix. 03:16:09.630 --> 03:16:09.960 Suzanne Schwartz: Okay. 03:16:12.420 --> 03:16:13.770 Melanie Barnes: Just stick them under solutions. 03:16:16.350 --> 03:16:21.480 Suzanne Schwartz: Oh, I see the first, the second one, does it appear to be a problems to part of the problem. Yeah. 03:16:34.620 --> 03:16:47.400 Suzanne Schwartz: Do you want to capture under goal statement. I think the oh you got that under brainstorming. Is that sufficient for that we've got it is 4:30 is this sufficient work to do on this. 03:16:47.880 --> 03:16:48.330 Suzanne Scott: Yes. 03:16:48.450 --> 03:16:51.930 Suzanne Schwartz: At this meeting. Suzanne Scott: Yes, I think so. We're getting tired, all of us. 03:16:51.990 --> 03:16:53.040 Suzanne Schwartz: Yeah, I think so. 03:16:53.040 --> 03:16:53.850 Suzanne Scott: Our brains are fried. 03:16:54.420 --> 03:16:57.960 Melanie Barnes: Well, I think a committee could could we're actually work with this. Yes. 03:17:01.020 --> 03:17:16.110 Suzanne Schwartz: So, um, I think it doesn't appear that there's need for any formal action on those last items under the under okay then we're on to item five which is discussing next steps on 03:17:17.370 --> 03:17:25.950 Suzanne Schwartz: Which and we had captured these the following things that we thought would be useful to consider, which would be 03:17:26.460 --> 03:17:37.080 Suzanne Schwartz: Well, maybe we didn't on a slide but thought about. One of the things I wanted to talk to you all about was the we have two documents we gave you one was the 03:17:38.070 --> 03:17:46.890 Suzanne Schwartz: Document that the Water Development Board staff pulled together, which were deliberations by topics so Temple and her staff took took 03:17:47.700 --> 03:17:58.140 Suzanne Schwartz: Things from your meetings prior meetings minutes and put them in a document just reflecting discussions that you had with the with the thoughts that those would be useful for 03:17:58.500 --> 03:18:15.450 Suzanne Schwartz: Committees, or the group as a whole as you worked through it continued your work. We thought simply want to know, is this a useful document and a useful, useful for for the Board staff to continue pulling information together in this way. 03:18:17.820 --> 03:18:18.420 Melanie Barnes: Yes. 03:18:19.680 --> 03:18:20.610 Suzanne Scott: I found it helpful. 03:18:21.150 --> 03:18:22.260 Melanie Barnes: I did to 03:18:24.960 --> 03:18:30.270 Suzanne Scott: It just categorizing, a lot of the talk into where it may apply. I thought that was helpful. 03:18:30.600 --> 03:18:33.840 Temple McKinnon: Okay, well, we'll continue to do that for you then. 03:18:34.770 --> 03:18:43.380 Suzanne Schwartz: And then the next was taking a look at the report. There was one of the items that you have is some draft report content. 03:18:44.100 --> 03:19:01.650 Suzanne Schwartz: Again, we had thought that we had provided earlier a structure of a report kind of just outlining what kind of an outline of what it might look like. And then this week, we've now got some content that's been put into into this 03:19:03.090 --> 03:19:13.950 Suzanne Schwartz: Again, so far, what's been put in is background on the legislation on the Council formation subsequent legislative direction and then 03:19:14.670 --> 03:19:26.880 Suzanne Schwartz: Now, putting in by meeting date what what you all have discussed generally again. In this case, we're not talk trying to capture everything that was said, but to generalize discussion so that 03:19:27.810 --> 03:19:48.540 Suzanne Schwartz: So that people who are reading the report will have a sense of what you all talked about generally. The minutes for the meetings would be attached to the report or at least we thought that would occur if if that's what you want. And so at this point, we really wanted to see if you 03:19:49.710 --> 03:20:10.170 Suzanne Schwartz: So that's occurred, and then some additional items have been added under the topical some of the topical elements. Again, this is just, we're not asking for edit at this point it's really a question of, do you like this general format. Is this something that should continue 03:20:13.320 --> 03:20:15.570 Suzanne Schwartz: Trying to stay a little ahead of some of this. 03:20:16.650 --> 03:20:30.900 Suzanne Schwartz: And I also realized that when committees meet they'll probably take over some of the drafting of the various issues considered but we just wanted to see if this was useful to you to start populating a report this way. 03:20:32.610 --> 03:20:50.490 Suzanne Scott: Yeah, I think, it, it's, I'm not sure we would necessarily, you know, have to break down stuff based on a date that it was covered. I mean, I think it's generally the format, right, we have a problem. This is what we're aiming for. And then these are the steps that the committee. 03:20:51.510 --> 03:20:54.510 Suzanne Scott: Went through to try to address that issue. 03:20:56.730 --> 03:20:58.920 Suzanne Scott: Can get them all in the same format that would be good. 03:21:00.900 --> 03:21:03.030 Suzanne Schwartz: Okay, so, so, so on. 03:21:03.060 --> 03:21:03.780 Melanie Barnes: This is good. 03:21:05.010 --> 03:21:15.990 Suzanne Schwartz: On the topic. Suzanne you're suggesting, maybe not necessarily breaking your discussion, the discussion and content down by date, but you'll you'll produce something more comprehensive and an overview 03:21:16.980 --> 03:21:28.410 Suzanne Scott: I think so. I mean, I don't think. I think that generally when you do a report like this. You say, you know, there was, you know, multiple we kind of went through, you can talk at the beginning about the process that we went through. 03:21:28.740 --> 03:21:44.730 Suzanne Scott: And then when we start breaking it down. I don't think it will really matter by date who said what when it's going to be more about how we've brought all that together in a culmination of the discussion and then the solutions that each of the committee's is going to come up with hopefully 03:21:45.330 --> 03:21:56.490 Melanie Barnes: Well, and if we have the other document that the Temple has been building with the dates and the topics of the previous one we were looking at, and you kind of have that as your resource. 03:21:56.610 --> 03:21:57.420 Melanie Barnes: In order to 03:21:58.380 --> 03:21:59.970 Melanie Barnes: Compile the other, the report. 03:22:01.620 --> 03:22:02.010 Suzanne Scott: I think so 03:22:03.420 --> 03:22:22.860 Suzanne Schwartz: Is the is on page two the Council meeting the summaries of Council meetings, broadly, are those useful to have that is a chronological listing of what your meeting dates, what you did and will refer to the Minutes. Is that useful. Suzanne Scott:Yes Melanie Barnes: Yes. 03:22:24.180 --> 03:22:33.180 Suzanne Schwartz: Okay, I think that we just needed some guidance and reaction to those so we don't get too far ahead of what y'all are doing and make sure it's useful to you. 03:22:33.240 --> 03:22:38.670 Kevin Ward: It's useful, but I think that if you're going to get something like that. It may later become an appendix. 03:22:40.110 --> 03:22:43.170 Suzanne Schwartz: Okay. And obviously, as you progress. 03:22:43.860 --> 03:22:50.880 Kevin Ward: For now, it keeps it right in front of us. So we know the trail that we've trod, but yeah. And when we get finally to doing the report, we're going to begin with. 03:22:51.510 --> 03:22:59.730 Kevin Ward: You know what we were trying to convey and not not make them walk through the history of it. And then finally tell them what we did. 03:23:00.090 --> 03:23:01.650 Suzanne Schwartz: OK. OK. 03:23:04.020 --> 03:23:04.350 Suzanne Schwartz: OK. 03:23:05.910 --> 03:23:17.340 Suzanne Schwartz: I think another thing was, you already talked about using committees and we'll work with Suzanne and Kelley to help figure out how to how to get with you and set those up. 03:23:17.730 --> 03:23:21.990 Suzanne Scott: One of the, one of the things that we talked about, while people were dropping off for the for the 03:23:23.190 --> 03:23:32.430 Suzanne Scott: For the break, was that we would like to send Temple said she can maybe put together some type of a survey monkey asking each of us 03:23:32.910 --> 03:23:44.940 Suzanne Scott: To prioritize the committee's if we're going to have four committees, the planning water resources for the state as a whole, enhancing interregional coordination. 03:23:45.420 --> 03:23:52.530 Suzanne Scott: Dealing with interregional conflict and then the best practices for future planning and those are our four committees, then 03:23:53.190 --> 03:24:07.050 Suzanne Scott: Each of you could prioritize which ones that you would like to serve and we will try Kelley and Temple and Suzanne and I will try to work together based on your priorities to place you in 03:24:07.770 --> 03:24:21.510 Suzanne Scott: Committees, but we can at least try to look to make sure we got some regional distribution and some, you know, some good makeup of the committee, but that way will at least know your preferences, but then we'll put the committee's together. 03:24:22.800 --> 03:24:33.870 Suzanne Scott: But that seems to me the fairest way of doing it so that we're not stacking one against the other. And we have people working on every issue, even those issues that people may not want to work on. 03:24:35.160 --> 03:24:38.220 Suzanne Scott: It does that seem like a fair process at least to ask you your 03:24:39.510 --> 03:24:42.030 Suzanne Scott: Your preferences and then we can try to assign 03:24:43.260 --> 03:24:43.860 Melanie Barnes: Yes. 03:24:44.460 --> 03:24:57.420 Temple McKinnon: I need to also state the fact that we're pretty resource limited. So these committees aren't going to have facilitation, you'll have Board staff supporting you and taking notes, but I don't know if that leads to 03:24:58.560 --> 03:25:04.620 Temple McKinnon: committee chairs or whatever. But there's Suzanne's not going to be supporting each of these committees and their work. 03:25:05.100 --> 03:25:11.010 Temple McKinnon: She's retained to help the group as a whole. We just don't have the frankly the money to pay her to 03:25:11.400 --> 03:25:12.510 Kevin Ward: That will be fine. 03:25:12.930 --> 03:25:13.590 Kevin Ward: I mean, there 03:25:14.880 --> 03:25:16.500 Kevin Ward: we can appoint a committee chair. 03:25:17.100 --> 03:25:22.290 Kevin Ward: For each one of these when it's done and then set, a lot of us have a lot of training and 03:25:24.360 --> 03:25:33.960 Kevin Ward: Sort of dispute resolution training and all kinds of facilitation team leader and all that. So I think should be able to figure out how to facilitate meetings. 03:25:34.080 --> 03:25:36.780 Suzanne Schwartz: Yeah, I'm confident that you especially the smaller group ya'll won't have any 03:25:37.860 --> 03:25:38.340 Suzanne Schwartz: Problem. 03:25:38.670 --> 03:25:39.690 Temple McKinnon: And I just wanted to let you all know. 03:25:39.990 --> 03:25:44.280 Suzanne Scott: And I think it would be good to have, I mean, I was going to and I think I'm glad Kevin brought it up. 03:25:45.060 --> 03:25:57.960 Suzanne Scott: Or Temple, whoever did about probably a committee chair for each one of the committee's once we figure out who is you know who's there probably Kelley and I will try to assign committee chairs. 03:25:59.040 --> 03:26:10.230 Suzanne Scott: Or maybe, maybe I can ask Temple. If you're, if we could add an open ended question to say if for anyone that's filling it out if you would be interested in serving as a chair role. 03:26:10.590 --> 03:26:20.850 Suzanne Scott: It would be good to put your name in that open ended questions so that if you do want to step up and you have the time available, and would like to serve in that role. We would like to know if you would self nominate 03:26:21.420 --> 03:26:28.080 Suzanne Scott: That would be helpful for us to know as we're assigning the committee's. Would that be okay Temple, could you 03:26:28.140 --> 03:26:28.890 Temple McKinnon: I can do that, for sure. 03:26:29.160 --> 03:26:29.490 Temple McKinnon: Yep. 03:26:30.930 --> 03:26:37.620 Suzanne Scott: And we'll try to get that out as soon as possible, because I think as we're all looking at trying to finish the doodle poll 03:26:38.190 --> 03:26:54.060 Suzanne Scott: We can also maybe do some cross referencing about who's available when and maybe have some of all those dates that we all had to fill out with can try to identify some committee dates that work as well as the larger group meetings, y'all had since there were so many dates on that thing. 03:26:57.960 --> 03:27:05.400 Suzanne Schwartz: Suzanne, if it's okay. I thought maybe we want to talk about what you want to accomplish at your next meeting. If anybody has any particular thoughts. 03:27:06.750 --> 03:27:16.170 Suzanne Schwartz: You know, it's a pretty broadly posted agenda. So the question is, you know, where should the focus be you know we're will obviously Suzanne you and Kelley. 03:27:17.340 --> 03:27:29.850 Suzanne Schwartz: And I guess and Temple and I can sit can actually develop what what what what are we doing, but what input from you all. What do you think you'd like to spend your time. It's a two hour meeting. 03:27:33.000 --> 03:27:34.860 Suzanne Schwartz: Do you even need a meeting. 03:27:34.890 --> 03:27:48.150 Suzanne Scott: Yeah. I guess my question was going to be. I'm wondering if everyone's that has this date on their schedule already. I mean, I know this would be a lot to pull together. But if we could send out the doodle poll pretty quickly on 03:27:49.290 --> 03:27:55.770 Suzanne Scott: Schedule I mean the committee's maybe that first June 29th meeting could be a committee meeting. 03:27:56.640 --> 03:27:59.100 Suzanne Schwartz: Temple, do we have time. Can we post 03:27:59.490 --> 03:27:59.850 Temple McKinnon: The agenda 03:28:00.090 --> 03:28:01.080 Temple McKinnon: Has already posted 03:28:01.710 --> 03:28:03.780 Temple McKinnon: And I don't have to tell you that you guys are a statewide body so 03:28:03.780 --> 03:28:05.160 Temple McKinnon: agendas have to post eight 03:28:05.160 --> 03:28:06.090 Temple McKinnon: days prior 03:28:06.150 --> 03:28:08.130 Temple McKinnon: And Friday was a holiday. No. 03:28:08.220 --> 03:28:09.270 Suzanne Scott: Thank you. Sorry, sorry, sorry. 03:28:09.420 --> 03:28:09.990 Suzanne Schwartz: I don't 03:28:11.280 --> 03:28:21.810 Suzanne Schwartz: Can we break down. I don't. I think we determined we couldn't break down into smaller groups in the meeting to have, you know, something in zoom you actually could break down into rooms, but I don't 03:28:22.800 --> 03:28:23.820 Temple McKinnon: But does that meet a 03:28:23.820 --> 03:28:25.020 Temple McKinnon: public meeting. 03:28:25.620 --> 03:28:30.870 Suzanne Schwartz: Yeah, I don't know if that works for the public meetings. 03:28:31.710 --> 03:28:32.850 Temple McKinno: I will say though. 03:28:34.350 --> 03:28:51.000 Temple McKinnon: What remains is to hear a timeline of what y'all want to work on. And remember that our rules got revised so now that my executive administrator needs to let y'all know what when a reports due so that might be something that Council as a whole, could talk about next week. 03:28:51.030 --> 03:28:51.450 Melanie Barnes: Yeah. 03:28:52.560 --> 03:28:52.920 Suzanne Scott: Okay. 03:28:54.750 --> 03:29:03.690 Suzanne Schwartz: So, so definitely talk about timeline for, you know, maybe and maybe Suzanne and Kelley, we can work together to sort of flesh out 03:29:04.500 --> 03:29:16.920 Suzanne Schwartz: Ideas about when the committee's meet when when the Council comes back together. That could be something we could work through before the next Monday's meeting and kind of work through some things like that and 03:29:17.250 --> 03:29:20.790 Suzanne Scott: I think that'll be good more of a logistics meeting, maybe it wouldn't be a full 03:29:21.780 --> 03:29:22.410 Suzanne Schwartz: Two hours. 03:29:22.470 --> 03:29:27.630 Suzanne Scott: Two hours because, I mean, if we're going to start breaking down into committees, it seems to me that that work needs to start there, but 03:29:27.900 --> 03:29:42.420 Suzanne Scott: Maybe this committee this meeting next time the 29th would really just be about those logistics. Okay, these are the committee's that have been assigned. These are the chairs. This is the schedule and then those meetings would be scheduled hopefully we can 03:29:42.450 --> 03:29:44.670 Melanie Barnes: And this is, and this is the product. 03:29:45.000 --> 03:29:45.240 Suzanne Scott: Yeah. 03:29:46.350 --> 03:29:46.590 Melanie Barnes: Yeah. 03:29:48.540 --> 03:29:49.830 Suzanne Schwartz: Any, any 03:29:49.890 --> 03:29:58.290 Suzanne Schwartz: The others of you with thoughts about how to use the next meeting. If you have any differing opinions, anything you personally like to see accomplished. 03:29:59.610 --> 03:30:03.450 Kevin Ward: The agenda looks good as it is, because we'll have enough to do on that fourth bullet 03:30:04.800 --> 03:30:05.130 Suzanne Schwartz: Oh, yeah. 03:30:07.590 --> 03:30:12.300 Suzanne Schwartz: Okay. Just, just wanted to check in. Okay. Um, 03:30:14.700 --> 03:30:17.070 Suzanne Schwartz: Any and again. Just a reminder 03:30:18.300 --> 03:30:37.320 Suzanne Schwartz: Any information you want, just let us know so that it can be gathered, I think probably once you get into committees, you'll probably do a lot more of that discussion, but just, again, it's always an open open invitation. If you want work. Okay. And if I guess the next thing would be 03:30:37.980 --> 03:30:45.630 Suzanne Scott: And Temple, just real quick. I never, I think you sent out an answer to the question will all the committee meetings be posted as well. 03:30:46.020 --> 03:30:46.650 Suzanne Scott: Yeah, right. 03:30:47.280 --> 03:30:58.440 Temple McKinnon: Yep. And they they too will have to have an eight day notice to them, since you're a statewide body. So we'll handle all that and your meetings will be recorded and in accordance with public meeting requirements. 03:30:58.680 --> 03:30:58.950 Suzanne Scott: Okay. Great. 03:31:01.410 --> 03:31:09.450 Suzanne Schwartz: Um, I guess the next thing is I guess we're ready to move. There's an agenda item number six posted, which is 03:31:10.470 --> 03:31:23.850 Suzanne Schwartz: The discussion of agenda for future meetings that was kind of a catch all Kevin had suggested other business as a catch all but this is language that Water Development Board legal staff felt was appropriate. 03:31:24.960 --> 03:31:35.760 Suzanne Schwartz: It's a way for if there's any substantive things you want to discuss, but not make decisions on it, but put on the future agenda. This is the time to do that if you there's anything 03:31:39.210 --> 03:31:41.790 Suzanne Schwartz: Okay, I guess we're ready to move to public comment. 03:31:46.140 --> 03:31:52.500 Suzanne Schwartz: Does anyone want to make add some public comment to the, to the Council. 03:32:02.910 --> 03:32:04.470 Vicki Read: Everyone's unmuted. So 03:32:07.140 --> 03:32:08.190 Suzanne Schwartz: not hearing any 03:32:11.040 --> 03:32:13.440 Suzanne Schwartz: Suzanne. I think we're ready for motion to adjourn. 03:32:14.430 --> 03:32:18.390 Suzanne Scott: Okay, great. Um, can we I'd entertain a motion to adjourn. 03:32:18.810 --> 03:32:19.470 Patrick Brzozowski: So moved 03:32:22.440 --> 03:32:22.830 Kelley Holcomb: Second Suzanne Scott: Kelley. Gail Peek: Gail Peek. Second. 03:32:23.310 --> 03:32:29.790 Suzanne Scott: Second. Okay, Gail. Okay, all those in favor, please. I mean, I'm sorry. Any opposed, raise your hand. 03:32:32.640 --> 03:32:44.730 Suzanne Scott: Doesn't seem like anyone's opposed. Alright, well, we'll be getting back to you real quick with the doodle with the with the survey for committee assignments, so be thinking about that. So when it comes up, you can reply, very quickly and don't 03:32:44.850 --> 03:32:48.300 Suzanne Scott: Get to finish the doodle poll as simple suggested she needs that back. 03:32:49.020 --> 03:32:50.220 Suzanne Scott: By close of business tomorrow. 03:32:50.370 --> 03:32:50.760 Temple McKinnon: Close of business 03:32:51.120 --> 03:32:56.280 Temple McKinnin: Tomorrow would be best yep. Suzanne Schwartz: And respond quickly when we send something about committees. 03:32:56.520 --> 03:32:57.150 Suzanne Scott: Yes, please. 03:32:58.470 --> 03:33:00.570 Temple McKinno: Yep we're working on it. We will get you something soon. 03:33:00.900 --> 03:33:01.680 Suzanne Scott: Right. Thank y'all. 03:33:01.860 --> 03:33:02.460 Temple McKinnon: Thank you. 03:33:03.330 --> 03:33:03.630 Suzanne Scott: Bye.