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DR JOHN ELLIS: Alright.

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Well, I appreciate the chance
to share this info with you.

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As many of you know,
the socioeconomic impact

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analysis, we do it for
each of the regions.

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They make the request.

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We have some pretty good goals
in there, provide a reasonable

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approximation of adverse
economic impacts should

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the drought a record conditions
prevail for a single year.

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And that's under the assumption
that no water management

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strategies are employed.

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So this is if the planning group
and the state really do nothing

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in the interim other than what's
already been assumed when we

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made the projections.

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This is required by statute to
do this level of detail, and it

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ought to embed that one year
repeat of the drought of record.

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Secondary goal would be
theoretically sound from

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an economic standpoint.

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Have a reasonable amount
of research and effort to

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put together the analysis.

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We do try to do this at
the best possible level of

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geographic specificity that
gets down to the work, as you

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know, from municipal works,
that can be it's primarily

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utility-based, and for the four
or five other water use

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categories, irrigation, mining,
etc, those are county-based.

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And it's also comparable in
approach across planning

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regions so that we can,
the results can be comparable.

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So those water use categories
I was alluding to, as you all

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well know, are irrigated agr,
livestock, manufacturing,

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mining, steam-electric
power generation.

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And then the municipal is
divided up into two categories,

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residential and then
commercial water-intensive.

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And this that last category has
about five or six different

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NAICs, or North American
Industrial Classification

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includes health, hospitals, etc,
some educational facilities,

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and things like car washes
that are water intensive.

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But yeah, the majority of
the time are classified

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under municipal water use.

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So we have three flavors
of impact measures.

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The first one that we deal
with are economic impacts.

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Primary one, the most everyone
is interested in is income.

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And it's more analogous to GDP
or gross state product either

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way, you want to package that.

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But that's the value of
production plus all the costs.

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And then when we adjust those
for impacts on the input supply

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sectors and resulting impacts.

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So whenever I produce
something, if that production

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goes away, then I'm no
longer buying all my inputs.

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And so there's adverse
impacts for everything

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that fed into whatever it
is I happen to be making.

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These IMPLAN multipliers help
us calculate what the lost

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income is to those sectors,
as well as if some people in

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those sectors get laid off.

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Well, they're not
drawing as much money.

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They're not spending
money at the Dairy Queen.

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So their reduction in spending
is also accounted for.

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Then the second component of
those economic impacts is

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electrical power purchase costs.

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And we just assumed that
given a connection base for

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ERCOT, it covers about 90%
of the electricity purchased

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in the state goes to ERCOT.

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These are representative of
purchase, let's say, power

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purchase price from ERCOT data.

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And if those electrical power
plants run short on water for

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cooling, then they have to
buy power on the open market

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from other suppliers
within the ERCOT chain.

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So this takes into account those
additional purchase prices.

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Then the third one that most
people are (AUDIO DISTORTS).

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Pardon me.

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Pardon me.

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Pardon me.

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And then a third component
here is at risk jobs.

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This is the number of people
associated with those particular

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sectors that are adversely
impacted by the drought.

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We kind of repackage
what we call this.

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In the past, we would
just allude to it as lost

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employment or lost jobs.

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But in reality, you can't say
with certainty just because

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a one year drought of record
would result in the loss of

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a job, it could be a well-heeled
that particular farm was going

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into the drought.

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If they have a large bank
account, they might not lay

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you off as quickly and so
we just repackage what

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we call it a little bit
and call them at risk jobs.

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And that characterization will
spill over to a couple other

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categories here in a minute
that I'll talk about.

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Are there any questions of
what I've described thus far?

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Alright.

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Then we have two additional
flavors, I call them measures.

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The one in the left-hand column
are financial transfers.

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If you have a drought of
record comes into play,

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then if you're a utility,
that bottom one kicks in.

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You're not gonna, if you're
selling less water, you're

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not going to collect as much
taxes for the state and for

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your particular utility.

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You also have lower revenue
if you're selling less water.

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I'll jump back up to the taxes.

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If I'm not making output
due to the water loss,

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then it doesn't get sold.

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So the state doesn't have
as large of tax income.

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And then the third,
the second component so

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there's water hauling costs.

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We have an assumption in there.

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If the needs within a particular
county or WUG get above 80%,

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then all that water...

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the amount of needs that are
above that 80% threshold

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has to be hauled in from
somewhere else, and we just

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have an assumed cost per acre
foot for hauling that in.

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So there's always
additional costs.

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Anything that provides a pulse
to the system, to the economy.

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There's always winners
and there's losers.

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And what you know, the majority
of this effort is trying to

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come up with a dollar value or
some other impact measure of

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those particular losses.

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This column on the right,
social impacts that includes

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consumer surplus losses.

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That's an economic
term for how much?

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It's a monetary estimate
of how much money it would

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take to put me back into my
original standing before this

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adverse impact happened.

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From a residential
standpoint, if I can only

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water my lawn once a week or
zero times a week, then it's

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an estimate of the amount
of money it would take to

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make me whole and feel like
I hadn't gotten messed over.

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Then we have at risk
population losses and at risk

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school enrollment losses.

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Those are both tied to
that earlier measure.

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I spoke of the at
risk job losses.

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So we have about ten
measures we try to

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estimate in this analysis.

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A fair amount of those
measures are tied to what's

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called the IMPLAN model.

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Impact planning model.

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We use the year 2021
as our baseline.

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And then basically it's
a software that uses economic

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modeling technique known
as input-output analysis.

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And it makes life a whole
lot easier on trying to

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estimate these regional
impacts of changes.

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And in the particular
IMPLAN model, we're

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talking about there's 546
input or output sectors.

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I'm sorry that they have
individual multipliers that

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track back what the lost income
will be to those input sectors.

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So like I said, we use those to
estimate potential lost income,

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taxes, and at risk jobs.

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And this is on a regional
basis'cause that's what's
required in

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the Texas Administrative Code.

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It is a regional focus.

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So we built 16 different
implant models.

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We export significant amount
of data out of each of those

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models manipulated off to
the side, and come up with

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our visual estimates.

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I'll give you more detail
on that in a second.

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Then we got, I suppose I'm
jumping ahead a little bit here.

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Let's suppose that I come up
with an estimate of the value

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added or the income that
is associated, say, with

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the hog production in region A,
and I also know how much water

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it took to produce that output.

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Then I could come up
with an estimate of

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the value of water.

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And let's suppose it just
for argument's sake, that's

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$1,000 per acre foot.

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And that's an upper bound
that we use in our analysis.

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But we apply an elasticity
adjustment to it so that we can

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roll in these impacts to where
they don't hit all at once.

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We assume there's some
flexibility in the system, that

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if I have low levels of needs,
low levels of shortages, then

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there's flexibility.

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And I don't get hit with
this full impact of $1,000

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an acre-foot right away.

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So we have some thresholds
called B1 and B2 down there

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on the horizontal axis.

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They are thresholds where things
start to kick in in between.

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In this particular example,
0 to 5% or saying no harm,

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no foul, I can have up to 5%
needs that are shortages.

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There's no adverse impacts to
that particular region for

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that particular shortage.

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But once I hit that 5% and,
in this example, I could go

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all the way up to 40%, then
it's gonna grow linearly

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along this diagonal line
here until it reaches that

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full $1,000 per acre foot.

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So in this particular example,
if I had a shortage of around

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22%, I would jump up here,
read the amount of shortage,

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and I would say it was 50% of
my adverse impact is applicable

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for that particular need.

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So, at 22% needs value
would result in my estimate

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of the lost value for each
acre foot would be 500.

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That would be 50%
of that $1,000.

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So I'd be assuming that all
the acre feet up to that

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amount, I'd value those at $500
bucks an acre foot in this

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particular production sector.

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And we have these types of
analysis adjustment factors for

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every one of the six or five of
the six water use categories

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with different parameters.

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Livestock is the most onerous
because it's really, they've

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faced some very adverse, high
losses very quickly in that

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particular sector.

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So this is going to be
an overview of how we put

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those pieces together,
I just described.

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So we have checked the value
added from IMPLAN.

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We take the water use from
the TWD water use survey data

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in our regular estimates.

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And then I'll get an initial
value per acre foot.

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That would be analogous
to that $1,000 an acre

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foot I just spoke of.

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Then we apply the IMPLAN
multiplier so that we're

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also counting those indirect
and induced impacts.

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We would then step number five,
there at the bottom, we adjust

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for the number of firms.

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Sometimes there's a disconnect
between the data we get from

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the water use survey as
well as what's an IMPLAN.

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They have a different
number of firms.

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So we were just with a number
of firms, so we get a more

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realistic estimate of that
baseline value of water.

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We apply that impact elasticity
adjustment, which is where

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the degree of need comes in.

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That gives us an adjusted
water value per acre-foot.

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And this is for each of
the probably four-digit NAICs

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codes that are embodied in
each of those five or six

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water use categories.

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We take that acre-foot of needs.

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We multiply that times that
adjusted water acre value per

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acre-foot, and that gives us
our lost income estimate for

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that particular sector.

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And we do this for every one
of the pertinent sectors in

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a particular county.

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And we get some water
use weighted average

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values for that.

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And the same process, not
only we do apply this for

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lost income, but we do it
for lost taxes as well as

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lost, for jobs at risk.

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So it's a fairly complicated
process, but we're trying to get

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as much geographic specificity
as we can and tailor-make

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our estimates so that they
fit the region in the county

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and the WUG if we happen to be
dealing with a municipal WUG.

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So, this there's a lot of work.

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It gives us estimates, which
vary by the degree of shortage,

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also vary with the composition
of the water use or the economic

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activity by county.

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If I have some high
manufacturing firms like in

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Houston and they're heavy water
users, then the value of that

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water is extremely high there.

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I want to...

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I would expect a water
shortage there, but have

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higher impacts than if I was
out, say in West Texas,

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trying to grow some alfalfa.

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So these vary with what
I actually is going on in

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the composition of economic
activity by county.

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And then we employ
region-specific multipliers

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to get those other indirect
and induced impacts.

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So if you read any of
these reports in the past,

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you wonder, well, how do
I interpret these numbers?

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It's good to understand what's
going on in the background

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and what all went in to
making these estimates.

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So just as a reminder, this
slide gives us some of

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those reminders, baseline
structure of the economy,

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where these baseline data
from 2021, the IMPLAN model.

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So that's just a snapshot
of the economy in time.

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If we looked at, if we looked
back ten years, the structure of

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the economy would be different.

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We look forward, ten years.

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It'd be different.

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But that's one.

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The fact that we do use this
in trying to evaluate water

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shortages in the future is
one of the challenges we

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face because we can't, with
much degree of reliability,

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try to project what
the economy is going to be

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like 20 years from now.

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So we just rely and say today's
structure is the best we can do

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for those particular analyses.

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So keep that as a caveat
in the back of your mind.

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So the planning groups, as
well as the engineering

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consultants, they go to great
lengths, as well as the board.

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We update those supplies.

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The Gams models are updated,
the desired future conditions

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are updated, Wham runs are
made, infrastructure that's

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available for delivery
and treatment is updated.

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All of that folds into what
these final numbers will be.

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And then there'll be some other
key parameters, like what's

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the cost of residential water?

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What's the water trucking cost?

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What are the electricity rates?

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All of those types of things
fit into our final estimates.

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And as you know, population
and municipal water demand

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projections are key to they
really drive the boat as to what

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the adverse impacts would be
if we did have that one year

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repeat of the drought of record.

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And we had some minor
revisions in our

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methodology manufacturing,
mining, and irrigation

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impact procedures.

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Some of the planning regions
also provide some input on this,

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and they've got a better pulse
beat on, especially on agr,

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what the practices are and what
the spatial distribution of

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demands and needs are in
their particular region.

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Then inflation alone
is another key factor.

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All the estimates that we're
going to come back with that

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I'll present today are
all in year $2,023.

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That's actually September 23.

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That's what it's
required in Exhibit C.

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These adverse impacts are
valued in those same dollars so

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that they'll be comparable to
what the mitigation costs are

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for those engineering projects
that each of the regional water

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planning groups put forth
in their cost estimates.

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So we're having
an apples-to-apples

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comparison there.

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So I've given you a lot of
info, I'm going to tell you

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how it all comes together.

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There's about 25 individual
tables, and they cover those

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impact elasticity functions.

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We got bridge tables, which help
all the data talk to each other.

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The income, jobs and tax
data that comes from IMPLAN.

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I alluded to the consumer
surplus estimates.

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We do those off to
the side as well.

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We jump back to
the top, the water use

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survey data and splits.

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That's just dividing things
up by region and county,

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and by river basin.

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And then we got some
additional parameters that

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probably the biggest piece
of data that goes into this

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is the demands and needs,
that implicitly implies that

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we've got the supplies.

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Those needs are calculated just
as supplies minus demands.

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If that number happens
to be negative, then

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we say we have needs.

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So all that gets, all these
25 tables are provided for

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the whole state, all 254
counties, and the impact model.

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That is the access database
which processes it, spits out

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the final impact estimates
for each of the ten measures

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for each of the 1,900
municipal WUGs and 254 County

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WUGs, and five categories.

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Not all counties have
steam-electric power.

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So there's not 254
steam-electric power

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estimates that actually
have non-zero values.

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Anyway, we get the output,
we repackage it, put it in

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these reports that
ended up in your IPPs.

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And so that's all
that comes together.

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It's almost fully automatic.

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The vast majority of our effort
goes in to generate those 25

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input data tables that we feed
into this access database.

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It spits out the result.

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And then we generate those
reports and send them on to you.

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Any questions up to this point?

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OK, so I'm just, we've
had some peer review.

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Most of this, the two that
I'm alluding to here, took

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just before the DB22 effort.

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BBC Research Consulting took
a hard look at our methodology,

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made some minor suggestions for
revisions, but they were happy

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with the way we
approached all this.

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And the office of the State
Comptroller does similar work

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using IMPLAN, and they gave
us their blessing as well.

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And in each planning cycle, each
of the regional planning groups

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have their own opportunity to
comment on the methodology.

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And so every year, also
our team, the population

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and socioeconomic analysis team,
we are always looking for ways

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to improve on this analysis.

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And so it's been well vetted.

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And we're confident that this
is probably the best available

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estimates that could be made
for this particular context.

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So I'm going to turn to
what's in actually in

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those regional reports.

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This is just a on the front
overview what's there.

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So the front end of
those packages is

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an executive summary.

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Basically, that's item
A there, the year 2021

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primary production sectors.

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That's just a picture
for each of the regions.

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What's a big players are
and their economic activity

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within their region.

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There's a water use
summary by sector.

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Each of those water use sectors
and then the projections that

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the board OKs by decade.

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And then there's a description
of those impact measures, much

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like what I've described here.

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A brief overview of
the methodology, and then you

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get to the results section.

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I'm going to just give you some
example ones for a region picked

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at random here in a second.

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And then in Appendix A of
every one of those reports,

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all 16 of them are county
level results by WUG.

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So the as for both the municipal
and non-municipal, so all

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the municipal ones, if it's
a utility and it's been

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designated as a WUG, there's
entries in that county in that

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Appendix A that show the needs
and the lost impact estimates

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for each of the measures that
we've been talking about.

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So here is a sample of this
is from region L, just like

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I said, picked at random.

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If you took their top, I think
there's ten in this sectors,

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then finance and insurance are
the big is the big players.

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Please make note of the units.

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These are millions of dollars.

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So that's $19 billion for that
first one, finance and insurance

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for the value added.

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And this is what
the output is in a...

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was in 2021.

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So this is getting you
familiar with how big is

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that particular production
sector within the economy

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of that particular region.

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Manufacturing is number two.

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Healthcare is big, big player
with them, and it goes on down.

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So, this top there's
generally in each of those

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regional reports, there's
about 20 of these that end

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up in these summary tables.

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I also give the amount of tax
collections that they give

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and the number of jobs that are
in each one of those sectors.

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So this is kind of
a picture of the year 2021.

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What was in the IMPLAN data?

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Which was what made that economy
go in that particular year?

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And then I know all of you
have seen these numbers.

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What is the total water demand?

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This is the year 2021.

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What's it comes from the water
use survey and as well as

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PSA, our team's estimates
for the annual water use

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within each of these sectors
and the majority of regions,

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the big water user
will be municipal.

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And all are a little
different because they

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have so much irrigation.

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They can have bigger,
bigger players here.

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In this particular one, irrs
not too far behind because

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they do have some irrigation
in the lower portions.

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It's number two water user.

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So once again, we're still
in what is to get people

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acquainted with what's going
on in that particular region.

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So then, when you get
to the actual estimates

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of adverse impacts.

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So we first see the needs
for irrigation is the one

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on this first panel.

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The irrigation needs
are fairly constant.

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71 to 58 acre feet in 2030
goes up very slightly by 2080.

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Percentages, if you round
them to zero decimal points,

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they all come across as 23%.

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Impact measures.

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If you go for 2030 to 2080, it
jumps from 35 million to 36,

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which is not a huge impact.

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And that risk job
losses are there.

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So these are the kind of
things that we look at in

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each one of those 16 regions,
and we do it for each of

00:24:21.760 --> 00:24:23.920
the six water use categories.

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So let's see what
I got here next.

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OK, so here's manufacturing.

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A lot bigger amount
at play dollar-wise.

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Let's see.

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So acre feet vary from 39 up
to 58,000, with the shortages

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they went from 36% to
44% with actual needs.

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And then income losses went from
9 billion up to $12 billion over

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that time span frame.

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So, like I said, once again,
this is just how they examine

00:25:02.440 --> 00:25:06.640
these trends over time,
especially as, in general, water

00:25:06.640 --> 00:25:08.320
use supplies get less over time.

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Demands tend to go up
depending on which sector

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you're looking at.

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And these are estimates of how
adverse impacts would grow over

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time in the manufacturing sector
for this particular region.

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So jump to the third example.

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This one's a little
bit more complex.

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This is municipal,
and we get some huge.

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This is all a ninefold
increase in needs.

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You go from 38,000 to 361,000,
and then the needs grow from

00:25:42.630 --> 00:25:47.030
7% of demands to 38%.

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So they're taking
a pretty big hit.

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Now, one thing that's really
key to remember is that

00:25:53.070 --> 00:25:56.390
the numbers that's presented
here at the regional level,

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at 38% it says for the whole
region the needs average 38%.

00:26:02.470 --> 00:26:05.510
But I may have some
individuals' utilities in there

00:26:05.710 --> 00:26:08.870
too, where their individual
needs are 70, 80, 90%.

00:26:09.710 --> 00:26:14.750
So I can have some very high
loss utilities that kind of get

00:26:14.790 --> 00:26:17.470
glossed over when I'm looking
at the numbers at this level.

00:26:17.510 --> 00:26:18.870
So just keep that in mind.

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So the income losses there
at the regional level go

00:26:25.780 --> 00:26:32.087
from 319 million all up
to 2.8 billion jobs.

00:26:32.087 --> 00:26:32.713
4,121.

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Up to 36,060.

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And note that we have some
additional measures that we

00:26:38.740 --> 00:26:43.473
report for the municipal
water use sector.

00:26:43.473 --> 00:26:46.820
We have tax losses,
trucking costs.

00:26:47.580 --> 00:26:54.380
So the mere fact that I have
some positive numbers in this

00:26:54.380 --> 00:26:56.740
trucking cost still tells
me I have some individual

00:26:56.740 --> 00:27:00.540
utilities that were their
needs values got above 80%.

00:27:00.540 --> 00:27:03.860
So we had to truck some
water in, and that cost

00:27:03.860 --> 00:27:06.740
was $45,500 per acre-foot.

00:27:06.740 --> 00:27:09.020
And that was for
assumed round trip.

00:27:09.820 --> 00:27:14.220
Anyway, the mere existence of
these numbers, $107 million in

00:27:14.220 --> 00:27:17.900
2080 for the trucking costs,
as I had some probably smaller

00:27:17.900 --> 00:27:20.900
utilities that didn't have
as reliable water supplies,

00:27:20.900 --> 00:27:25.010
and they had some significant
needs, projected needs where

00:27:25.010 --> 00:27:28.250
the needs were above 80%
of their normal demands.

00:27:29.810 --> 00:27:33.081
And then we've got some
utility loss, revenue losses,

00:27:33.081 --> 00:27:36.597
and tax revenue losses.

00:27:38.663 --> 00:27:41.734
So I'll give you a chance.

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I went through a lot
of detail right there.

00:27:44.250 --> 00:27:47.370
I'm going to give a little demo
of a dashboard here in a second.

00:27:47.370 --> 00:27:50.330
But before we go there,
does anyone have any

00:27:50.330 --> 00:27:51.570
specific questions?

00:27:58.330 --> 00:27:59.130
Can you guys hear me?

00:27:59.170 --> 00:28:02.130
I want to make sure I have been
talking for the last 20 minutes.

00:28:02.130 --> 00:28:02.797
JIM DARLING: Yeah.

00:28:02.797 --> 00:28:05.721
DR JOHN ELLIS: With no audience.

00:28:05.721 --> 00:28:09.950
So, like any good analysis,
you should always be aware.

00:28:09.950 --> 00:28:10.970
HEATHER: You got
a question, John.

00:28:11.490 --> 00:28:12.010
DR JOHN ELLIS: Pardon me.

00:28:12.610 --> 00:28:14.050
HEATHER: You got
a question from Gail?

00:28:16.130 --> 00:28:16.570
DR JOHN ELLIS: Let me see.

00:28:19.690 --> 00:28:21.480
Well, I'm not
getting to the chat.

00:28:21.520 --> 00:28:23.480
Let me see.

00:28:23.480 --> 00:28:29.373
HEATHER: Gail, do you just
wanna ask your question?

00:28:29.373 --> 00:28:31.040
DR JOHN ELLIS: Yeah, just
ask the question, please.

00:28:31.080 --> 00:28:31.920
It'd be easier.

00:28:32.080 --> 00:28:35.160
I'm having trouble
getting to the chat.

00:28:35.160 --> 00:28:40.530
HEATHER: I think
you're muted, Gail.

00:28:41.620 --> 00:28:42.160
SPEAKER: I think
you're muted, Gail.

00:28:54.320 --> 00:28:56.400
SPEAKER: You're kind of
coming in and out on my end.

00:28:57.520 --> 00:28:59.067
GAIL PEEK: Let me just
put it in a chat.

00:29:00.155 --> 00:29:00.490
KEVIN S: Hey, well,
we got you now.

00:29:00.490 --> 00:29:01.200
HEATHER: We can hear you now.

00:29:01.518 --> 00:29:01.947
KEVIN S: We've got you now.

00:29:01.947 --> 00:29:03.240
GAIL PEEK: Oh, you can.

00:29:03.280 --> 00:29:08.240
I was wondering in reviewing
the various factors, if you did

00:29:08.240 --> 00:29:12.960
any review of the MAG numbers,
which is always a bugaboo in

00:29:12.960 --> 00:29:16.360
our regional meetings with
the desired future conditions.

00:29:17.990 --> 00:29:18.167
DR JOHN ELLIS: No.

00:29:18.167 --> 00:29:20.110
Our team we don't
really play with that.

00:29:20.110 --> 00:29:21.870
We just take it as given.

00:29:21.870 --> 00:29:26.150
And that's why, that's beyond my
expertise, especially in terms

00:29:26.150 --> 00:29:30.830
of I play with economics and not
with that particular deal.

00:29:30.830 --> 00:29:34.310
Well, I do know how
they fold into how they

00:29:34.310 --> 00:29:35.470
impact our numbers.

00:29:35.790 --> 00:29:39.430
But as far as the actual
determining whether or not

00:29:39.430 --> 00:29:41.110
they're what they should be.

00:29:41.150 --> 00:29:42.870
No, I don't play that game.

00:29:43.570 --> 00:29:44.150
MATT NELSON: John, I can answer.

00:29:44.150 --> 00:29:45.580
I can answer that.

00:29:45.580 --> 00:29:46.410
DR JOHN ELLIS: OK.

00:29:46.410 --> 00:29:51.190
MATT NELSON: The MAGs are not
MAGs are part of the planning

00:29:51.190 --> 00:29:55.470
process in determining what
water is available and who

00:29:55.470 --> 00:29:58.630
will have enough, and where
shortages may appear.

00:29:58.630 --> 00:30:00.723
So it's sort of the early stage.

00:30:00.723 --> 00:30:04.670
So, it has its role
in the early stage.

00:30:04.670 --> 00:30:06.790
It doesn't actually have
anything to do with

00:30:06.790 --> 00:30:07.790
the economic analysis.

00:30:07.790 --> 00:30:11.710
The economic analysis is
really only based on once you

00:30:11.710 --> 00:30:15.830
identify your shortages, then
the economic analysis begins.

00:30:15.830 --> 00:30:17.070
So they're very separate.

00:30:17.510 --> 00:30:20.198
Does that help?

00:30:20.198 --> 00:30:22.565
DR JOHN ELLIS: OK.

00:30:22.565 --> 00:30:24.933
Alright.

00:30:24.933 --> 00:30:30.380
I'll jump back to what's shown
on the screen, the limitations.

00:30:30.380 --> 00:30:34.100
So, the analysis focuses on
those sectors with adequate

00:30:34.100 --> 00:30:37.940
water use data, especially
in the manufacturing sector.

00:30:37.980 --> 00:30:39.940
Sometimes we don't have
very good the best

00:30:39.940 --> 00:30:40.940
water use data there.

00:30:40.940 --> 00:30:43.220
So we don't try to make
estimates for those

00:30:43.220 --> 00:30:47.220
particular subset sectors
within manufacturing.

00:30:47.820 --> 00:30:50.980
So in that regard, we
probably underestimate some

00:30:50.980 --> 00:30:52.340
of the adverse impacts.

00:30:53.140 --> 00:30:57.340
It does have, it only
considers one year of drought

00:30:57.340 --> 00:31:01.340
that's primarily due to what's
in the administrative code.

00:31:03.060 --> 00:31:06.100
Plus it's very difficult
to do analysis at this

00:31:06.100 --> 00:31:10.540
level and take into account
stochastic aspects of drought,

00:31:10.580 --> 00:31:13.709
multi year aspects, etc.

00:31:13.709 --> 00:31:17.970
No consideration of impacts on
the forwardly linked sectors.

00:31:19.130 --> 00:31:22.450
What that means is, if there's
a drought in the Panhandle

00:31:22.450 --> 00:31:27.170
and they feed 500,00 fewer
cattle, that does not.

00:31:27.210 --> 00:31:31.130
We do not track what
the lost income is to

00:31:31.170 --> 00:31:32.330
the city of Houston.

00:31:33.010 --> 00:31:35.357
In fact, that they can't get
as much beef at their local

00:31:35.357 --> 00:31:37.517
HEB, and prices went up, OK.

00:31:37.517 --> 00:31:40.890
We're only looking at
the things that are adversely

00:31:40.890 --> 00:31:44.130
impacted, that fed into
production of that beef, not

00:31:44.130 --> 00:31:46.210
the downstream adverse impacts.

00:31:49.370 --> 00:31:51.810
No consideration of
backward linked impacts on

00:31:51.810 --> 00:31:53.090
other planning regions.

00:31:53.690 --> 00:31:58.788
So if, once again, I come
from an agr background.

00:31:58.788 --> 00:32:03.854
So, I keep talking
about Irr or regions.

00:32:03.854 --> 00:32:09.970
If they happen to buy some of
their input feed from a region,

00:32:09.970 --> 00:32:17.160
say, other than Irr, maybe they
get some from D or F, then

00:32:17.760 --> 00:32:22.400
these estimates are regionally
focused, and so the adverse

00:32:22.400 --> 00:32:25.640
impacts on those other regions
that aren't the parent region

00:32:25.960 --> 00:32:27.520
are not estimated here.

00:32:27.680 --> 00:32:30.720
There is a technique called
multi-regional input analysis

00:32:30.720 --> 00:32:32.200
that would track those.

00:32:32.680 --> 00:32:36.240
If I got some of my input
supplies from regions outside

00:32:36.240 --> 00:32:39.400
of my primary region of
interest, and we would come

00:32:39.400 --> 00:32:42.400
up with some estimates of what
the adverse impacts are on

00:32:42.400 --> 00:32:44.880
those, and we're hoping to fold
that into the next go round

00:32:44.920 --> 00:32:49.880
of next state water round of
regional state water plans.

00:32:49.880 --> 00:32:54.560
Analysis does not consider
building moratoriums due to

00:32:54.600 --> 00:32:56.120
long term water shortages.

00:32:56.360 --> 00:33:01.000
Some cities are probably already
have this in place, or we don't

00:33:01.000 --> 00:33:05.320
have that as one of the response
functions in our modeling.

00:33:05.840 --> 00:33:08.636
Increased value of water
over time is not considered.

00:33:08.636 --> 00:33:12.800
As Texas continues to mine more
and more groundwater and use

00:33:12.800 --> 00:33:16.110
more of its surface water
allocations, the price of water

00:33:16.110 --> 00:33:23.328
is going to go up and in what
few areas that we do have water,

00:33:23.328 --> 00:33:25.230
especially water markets.

00:33:25.230 --> 00:33:27.510
There's some in the lower
Rio Grande Valley where they

00:33:27.550 --> 00:33:31.057
sell surface water rights,
one person to another.

00:33:31.057 --> 00:33:33.230
Those prices are going to go up.

00:33:33.230 --> 00:33:35.750
And we're not taking into
account any kind of inflation

00:33:35.750 --> 00:33:40.190
in the cost of water over
time in this analysis.

00:33:40.710 --> 00:33:43.510
And the biggest one is
I alluded to this earlier,

00:33:43.510 --> 00:33:46.190
considers the structure of
the economy as being static.

00:33:46.590 --> 00:33:49.768
We use that year 2021
as our baseline.

00:33:49.768 --> 00:33:53.550
When we do it again for
the next state water plan,

00:33:53.550 --> 00:34:01.183
that will be year 2026
baseline IMPLAN numbers, we

00:34:01.183 --> 00:34:03.781
jump at five years every time.

00:34:03.781 --> 00:34:07.394
So, any questions on
what I talk about?

00:34:07.394 --> 00:34:09.590
There are probably some
other limitations, but these

00:34:09.590 --> 00:34:13.268
are the big the big ones.

00:34:13.268 --> 00:34:26.020
Alright, there is a dashboard
that presents majority

00:34:26.020 --> 00:34:29.820
of these results that's
available to the public, as

00:34:29.820 --> 00:34:33.767
well as anyone who wants to
its forward public-facing.

00:34:33.767 --> 00:34:37.860
You can just Google
TWBD and then the word

00:34:37.860 --> 00:34:41.567
socioeconomic, and it'll take
you straight to this page.

00:34:41.567 --> 00:34:48.980
The actual see to it here.

00:34:50.580 --> 00:34:53.007
Jump to a different page.

00:34:53.007 --> 00:34:57.500
It has several components to it.

00:35:03.860 --> 00:35:08.513
I'm going to back out of this.

00:35:08.513 --> 00:35:11.730
Hopefully, I'll get
back to dashboard here.

00:35:15.890 --> 00:35:18.290
Stop sharing my screen
and then share again.

00:35:19.810 --> 00:35:27.180
Get this here just a second.

00:35:27.180 --> 00:35:37.970
Alright, there you go.

00:35:37.970 --> 00:35:43.730
Alright, stop sharing, and then
I'm going to share again.

00:35:44.450 --> 00:35:46.090
See if I can get
this out of the way.

00:35:54.450 --> 00:35:56.437
What's going on?

00:35:57.823 --> 00:36:00.170
Just a second.

00:36:00.170 --> 00:36:15.913
It's not getting me where
I thought it would.

00:36:15.913 --> 00:36:43.187
Alright, here we go.

00:36:43.187 --> 00:36:48.040
OK, so can you see this
socioeconomic impact

00:36:48.040 --> 00:36:49.240
analysis website?

00:36:51.320 --> 00:36:52.040
ELIZABETH: Not yet.

00:36:58.680 --> 00:36:58.840
DR JOHN ELLIS: How's that?

00:36:59.310 --> 00:36:59.692
ELIZABETH: Yes, I can see

00:36:59.692 --> 00:37:00.459
DR JOHN ELLIS: OK.

00:37:00.459 --> 00:37:05.040
Alright, so for those of you
who are really interested in

00:37:05.040 --> 00:37:08.120
this thing, you can just
go to TWBD main homepage.

00:37:08.120 --> 00:37:10.830
There's a water planning
tab, this little up here.

00:37:10.830 --> 00:37:17.590
You can click on it, and then
you can click on planning

00:37:17.590 --> 00:37:21.230
data and scroll down in
the socioeconomic impact

00:37:21.230 --> 00:37:23.510
analysis screen is there.

00:37:24.910 --> 00:37:28.150
So there's four or five
tabs that are really

00:37:28.150 --> 00:37:29.270
key components of this.

00:37:29.270 --> 00:37:30.470
One is Interactive Data.

00:37:30.470 --> 00:37:31.950
We'll take a look at
that in a second.

00:37:32.590 --> 00:37:36.350
2026 Regional Water Impact
Reports, those are what

00:37:36.630 --> 00:37:42.070
you guys are IPPs, and in
the previous reports are from

00:37:42.070 --> 00:37:44.030
previous state water plans.

00:37:44.390 --> 00:37:49.230
There's an FAQ section which
is both has a live link to

00:37:49.270 --> 00:37:51.110
around 18 or so key questions.

00:37:51.110 --> 00:37:54.590
If I scroll down like
the first two or so, what

00:37:54.590 --> 00:37:56.977
is the purpose and scope
of the impact analysis?

00:37:56.977 --> 00:37:59.310
Or what impact
measures are included?

00:37:59.310 --> 00:38:03.310
So there's 18 of these in
this parent, one, if you're

00:38:03.310 --> 00:38:06.838
really a glutton for
punishment, you can click on

00:38:06.838 --> 00:38:10.563
this download detailed FAQs.

00:38:10.563 --> 00:38:11.940
It's a PDF.

00:38:11.980 --> 00:38:15.460
It has his original 18, as
well as several more that

00:38:15.460 --> 00:38:18.780
are more detailed and drill
down deeper into what all

00:38:18.820 --> 00:38:19.780
went into this thing.

00:38:20.980 --> 00:38:23.420
There is a one or two
pager quick overview

00:38:23.420 --> 00:38:26.100
of the socioeconomic
impact analysis.

00:38:26.500 --> 00:38:29.340
And then there's a user
guide for this dashboard.

00:38:29.780 --> 00:38:34.260
So there's lots of
additional info about how we

00:38:34.300 --> 00:38:37.500
came up with these numbers,
how to interpret them, etc.

00:38:37.500 --> 00:38:39.580
So I'm going to just show
you a little bit about

00:38:39.580 --> 00:38:40.820
the interactive data.

00:38:41.020 --> 00:38:44.540
Click on that and you
can pick a particular

00:38:44.540 --> 00:38:46.100
region that of interest.

00:38:46.700 --> 00:38:48.900
And it brings up over
here to the right.

00:38:50.180 --> 00:38:51.607
This happens to be
with the region A.

00:38:51.607 --> 00:38:53.660
I'll tell you what, I'll
jump to a slightly different

00:38:53.700 --> 00:38:56.260
region just to play.

00:38:56.620 --> 00:38:57.740
So let's jump to G.

00:39:00.060 --> 00:39:02.940
This top section over here
gives you a kind of a mini

00:39:02.980 --> 00:39:06.100
summary of what is in the front
end of those executive summary

00:39:06.170 --> 00:39:11.090
reports so part of the IPP that
TWD sent back to you for that

00:39:11.330 --> 00:39:12.410
Socio-Economic.

00:39:13.410 --> 00:39:17.850
So GDP for part or region
G is relatively small out

00:39:17.850 --> 00:39:21.050
of the state total,
this 1.93 million.

00:39:21.410 --> 00:39:23.103
That's 1.93 million millions.

00:39:23.103 --> 00:39:27.130
So that's almost $2
trillion is what the total

00:39:27.130 --> 00:39:31.010
state GDP was for 2021.

00:39:31.010 --> 00:39:33.330
These baseline sample numbers.

00:39:33.610 --> 00:39:36.130
So it's important to keep
these units in mind here.

00:39:36.530 --> 00:39:43.370
So region G was only
$101,000 million.

00:39:43.570 --> 00:39:46.050
So it wasn't a very big
proportion of the total state.

00:39:46.090 --> 00:39:47.690
Probably about 8 or 9%.

00:39:48.770 --> 00:39:51.010
Employment estimate
is 1,000,055.

00:39:51.930 --> 00:39:57.370
And the population was 2.4
million for that particular.

00:39:57.410 --> 00:40:00.890
But then it gives you
a summary here GDP loss to

00:40:00.930 --> 00:40:02.050
the region, the same numbers.

00:40:02.050 --> 00:40:04.365
We just looked at sample
ones for region L.

00:40:04.365 --> 00:40:07.702
This is the same kind
of table by decade.

00:40:07.702 --> 00:40:11.760
At risk job losses, at risk
population outmigration due

00:40:11.760 --> 00:40:12.400
to job loss.

00:40:12.400 --> 00:40:14.560
We took some of the there
was a measure that

00:40:14.560 --> 00:40:17.060
I haven't explained it yet.

00:40:17.060 --> 00:40:22.840
I took some historic studies
that showed around I think

00:40:22.840 --> 00:40:32.040
it's 18% of people that lost
jobs, would migrate out of

00:40:32.080 --> 00:40:33.840
from one location to another.

00:40:34.160 --> 00:40:37.720
It's kind of the best we could
do because when people actually

00:40:37.720 --> 00:40:42.720
move from one city to another
because of job loss, it's

00:40:43.320 --> 00:40:46.840
a whole lot more factors at
play than what we have access

00:40:46.840 --> 00:40:50.520
to the data to ferret all that
out for particular region.

00:40:50.520 --> 00:40:52.640
If I live in Dallas,
I lose my job.

00:40:52.920 --> 00:40:55.040
Grandma and grandpa
live two miles away.

00:40:55.040 --> 00:40:58.040
There's not a very high chance
I'm gonna move out of that

00:40:58.040 --> 00:41:00.653
particular region or city.

00:41:00.653 --> 00:41:06.070
So some of these that,
need some caveats on how

00:41:06.070 --> 00:41:07.310
realistic they might be.

00:41:08.030 --> 00:41:13.390
So you scroll on down,
and you can see by decade

00:41:13.430 --> 00:41:15.750
there's the total demand.

00:41:15.790 --> 00:41:18.857
You've got the needs
in the darker blue,

00:41:18.857 --> 00:41:20.750
and the percentages are shown.

00:41:20.790 --> 00:41:26.390
They vary from 16.85% needs
all across to 38.42%.

00:41:26.390 --> 00:41:29.710
That's for the region as a whole
across all water use sectors.

00:41:31.150 --> 00:41:35.030
So this is just a quick
and dirty summary in visual

00:41:35.030 --> 00:41:39.150
form that you can examine,
which is a lot, in many ways

00:41:39.150 --> 00:41:42.190
more palatable than just
looking at individual tables.

00:41:42.790 --> 00:41:47.470
So if you click on this, go to
detailed region report then it

00:41:47.470 --> 00:41:49.683
gives you additional detail.

00:41:49.683 --> 00:41:53.310
See the county outlines.

00:41:53.310 --> 00:41:59.737
You got utility taxes, tax
losses, loss value to customers,

00:41:59.737 --> 00:42:02.030
GDP loss to the region.

00:42:02.060 --> 00:42:05.900
So eventually, you have
all ten of those impact

00:42:05.900 --> 00:42:07.260
measures summarized there.

00:42:07.780 --> 00:42:13.353
It's always important to
recognize that these...

00:42:13.353 --> 00:42:14.584
What the units are?

00:42:14.584 --> 00:42:17.740
These are million dollars
if it's a dollar-based measure.

00:42:17.980 --> 00:42:21.260
One thing that I glossed over
and should have emphasized

00:42:21.260 --> 00:42:29.300
earlier, all of the needs were
calculated at the work level.

00:42:29.340 --> 00:42:31.460
Like I say, for especially
for municipal, that's at

00:42:31.460 --> 00:42:33.620
the municipal level
or the utility level.

00:42:34.500 --> 00:42:38.380
And so when those results get
reported, especially, they'll

00:42:38.380 --> 00:42:42.380
get folded in to the regional
level as well as the some of

00:42:42.380 --> 00:42:48.100
the county level results that
say, supposedly, 1,000 acre foot

00:42:48.100 --> 00:42:52.780
need, then the losses associated
with that, the dollar impact

00:42:52.780 --> 00:42:53.500
measures.

00:42:53.500 --> 00:42:56.300
Those are the lost value
to the region, not to

00:42:56.340 --> 00:42:59.860
the individual utility,
because we folded in

00:42:59.860 --> 00:43:01.683
those IMPLAN multipliers.

00:43:01.683 --> 00:43:06.250
They calculate those total
impact losses to the region

00:43:06.250 --> 00:43:10.130
as a whole, not just
the particular WUG where

00:43:10.130 --> 00:43:12.530
the drought happened to occur.

00:43:13.170 --> 00:43:16.463
So keep that in mind as you're
looking at these numbers.

00:43:16.463 --> 00:43:18.410
Lower left here.

00:43:19.410 --> 00:43:20.530
KEVIN S: Hey, John, I'm
sorry to interrupt.

00:43:20.530 --> 00:43:21.130
It's Kevin.

00:43:21.130 --> 00:43:24.450
We had one question in
the chat from Dr Rainwater.

00:43:24.610 --> 00:43:28.490
I can read his question, but he
asked, "Are the impact numbers

00:43:28.490 --> 00:43:29.650
for the entire decade shown?"

00:43:31.730 --> 00:43:34.210
DR JOHN ELLIS: Yeah, they
represent the decade, but it's

00:43:34.210 --> 00:43:36.810
just a one year estimate.

00:43:36.850 --> 00:43:37.357
Oh, OK.

00:43:37.357 --> 00:43:38.570
Let me restate that.

00:43:39.010 --> 00:43:41.250
It's not for the entire decade.

00:43:41.250 --> 00:43:42.410
It's not cumulative.

00:43:42.450 --> 00:43:46.410
It says if you happen to be
cruising along at 2030 hit

00:43:46.410 --> 00:43:49.010
and you had a one year repeat
of the drought of record,

00:43:49.170 --> 00:43:52.690
that is our point estimate of
what the lost impact would be

00:43:52.690 --> 00:43:54.303
for that particular year.

00:43:55.037 --> 00:43:59.920
If you jump forward to 2040,
then the needs are a different

00:43:59.920 --> 00:44:03.680
set of needs because we have
different assumed supplies,

00:44:03.680 --> 00:44:06.378
the aquifers drawn down, etc.

00:44:06.378 --> 00:44:09.836
We maybe we got a new, we might
have a new reservoir in place.

00:44:09.836 --> 00:44:13.280
Maybe those supplies came on
if we knew about it today, when

00:44:13.280 --> 00:44:15.680
we were making the projections.

00:44:16.480 --> 00:44:19.400
So they just happen to
be markers in time.

00:44:19.920 --> 00:44:22.960
They're not a cumulative
ten year decadal loss.

00:44:23.000 --> 00:44:26.200
It's a one year impact loss.

00:44:26.960 --> 00:44:28.480
Does that answer your question?

00:44:32.240 --> 00:44:34.880
KEVIN S: I think he's affirmed
that it did in the chat.

00:44:34.880 --> 00:44:38.680
DR JOHN ELLIS: Well,
I can't see the chat.

00:44:40.200 --> 00:44:41.760
KEVIN S: Oh, I think
you did, John.

00:44:41.760 --> 00:44:42.520
DR JOHN ELLIS: OK.

00:44:42.520 --> 00:44:46.760
Alright, so if you look
further back on the graph on

00:44:46.760 --> 00:44:49.840
the lower left there, you see
for this particular region

00:44:49.840 --> 00:44:55.200
G, that majority of that pie
chart is municipal, the red.

00:44:55.600 --> 00:44:59.643
So there the most of the water
user in the baseline 2021,

00:44:59.643 --> 00:45:02.968
irrigation was second,
and then steam electric.

00:45:02.968 --> 00:45:05.950
G has a fair amount of steam
electric power production.

00:45:05.990 --> 00:45:10.110
There's a fair amount of
mustard colored pie in

00:45:10.110 --> 00:45:12.323
that particular pie chart.

00:45:12.323 --> 00:45:16.070
OK, look a little
bit to the right.

00:45:16.070 --> 00:45:19.450
You see acre feet of demands
and acre feet of needs,

00:45:19.450 --> 00:45:22.670
and those are projected out
there by particular water use.

00:45:23.390 --> 00:45:26.990
So this gives you some
regional level yields.

00:45:27.310 --> 00:45:30.550
If you're really, like I say,
a super glutton for punishment.

00:45:30.550 --> 00:45:32.030
You can go to county level.

00:45:32.590 --> 00:45:35.963
You can actually select
a county, Shackleford,

00:45:35.963 --> 00:45:38.030
and it updates the table.

00:45:38.430 --> 00:45:39.630
This one's pretty boring.

00:45:40.790 --> 00:45:44.230
Must not have been any
needs at all 'cause it

00:45:44.230 --> 00:45:45.550
ended up all zeros.

00:45:46.950 --> 00:45:48.390
Not sure it's updating here.

00:45:48.430 --> 00:45:49.350
Something's wrong.

00:45:52.510 --> 00:45:54.390
Let me see if I can
get this to update.

00:45:56.660 --> 00:45:57.300
There we go.

00:45:57.700 --> 00:45:58.940
I had to punch it some more.

00:45:58.980 --> 00:45:59.900
That didn't make sense.

00:46:00.940 --> 00:46:03.940
So particular county,
Shackleford, you can look that

00:46:03.940 --> 00:46:07.220
up and see what those estimates
are for that particular county.

00:46:07.620 --> 00:46:15.380
If you jump back to the parent,
Rio, at the bottom here, you

00:46:15.380 --> 00:46:18.700
can download the digital
versions of the data that fed

00:46:18.700 --> 00:46:20.020
into these dashboards.

00:46:21.180 --> 00:46:27.362
So any questions on this part?

00:46:27.362 --> 00:46:38.180
OK, then let me see
if I can get back to this.

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Let's see.

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No clue what's showing.

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Alright, I'm going to...

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Alright, so are you
seeing a question mark?

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JIM DARLING: Yeah, we can.

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DR JOHN ELLIS: OK, so that's
my alleged contact info,

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and I'm happy to answer any
other questions that pop up

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later when you've had
time to think about this.

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I threw a lot of terms and data
at you all at once, but anyway.

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So any additional questions?

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Alright.

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Well, I appreciate
the opportunity to do

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the show and tell.

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And like I said, if anything
pops up later, don't

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hesitate to ping me with
an email or give me a call.